promotion

#1
hey guys just wondering how often do u get promoted like how many years on average is inbetween each rank?

any help appreciated :)
 
#2
welshlad91 said:
hey guys just wondering how often do u get promoted like how many years on average is inbetween each rank?

any help appreciated :)
That depends upon you, your trade and how many are in your cohort.

Care to enlighten us on your length of service and your trade?

The average figures used to be published by DASA and I'll have a rummage (they are used by the Treasury Solicitor to counter claims such as a private soldier in his first year claiming that "I could easily have reached WO1 by 30 years of age and then gone onto become Brigadier...").

Litotes
 
#3
I asked similar question the other day regarding my son. He is a reccy mech and been in three years. Did mention sonething about going on a L Cpl course but nothing happened as far as I know (still I am only his Dad I guess). How soon could he be promoted? I assume certain people 'fail' promotions as there seems to be a lot of people on the lookout for promotion board results these last few days.
 
#4
I've only had one promotion in the last 18 years.
 
#5
putteesinmyhands said:
I've only had one promotion in the last 18 years.
Really? Not fancied it or something else? Or is it you are taking the piss 'cos I am a civvy?
 
#6
Major_Catastrophe said:
I asked similar question the other day regarding my son. He is a reccy mech and been in three years. Did mention sonething about going on a L Cpl course but nothing happened as far as I know (still I am only his Dad I guess). How soon could he be promoted? I assume certain people 'fail' promotions as there seems to be a lot of people on the lookout for promotion board results these last few days.
Don't think of it as 'failing', more like 'not yet ready' or 'there are only so many places available, and more than enough people to fill them.' Also, your son is much less likely to tell you about a selection board that hasn't selected him than one that has.
 
#8
Joe_Private said:
Major_Catastrophe said:
I asked similar question the other day regarding my son. He is a reccy mech and been in three years. Did mention sonething about going on a L Cpl course but nothing happened as far as I know (still I am only his Dad I guess). How soon could he be promoted? I assume certain people 'fail' promotions as there seems to be a lot of people on the lookout for promotion board results these last few days.
Don't think of it as 'failing', more like 'not yet ready' or 'there are only so many places available, and more than enough people to fill them.' Also, your son is much less likely to tell you about a selection board that hasn't selected him than one that has.
He is in Germany at the moment so we dont talk very often and I tthink they are in the middle of packing up and getting back to Catterick. Despite our father/son communication problems I am sure he hasnt been on a course. I was just interested in how they select people for courses - I guess it includes, talent, application, maturity and all those things in life that get anyone promotion. I never think of him as some shining star or anything like that, just wondered how soon he (being an average bloke) would have to wait to be considered or start moving up
 
#9
Major_Catastrophe said:
putteesinmyhands said:
I've only had one promotion in the last 18 years.
Really? Not fancied it or something else? Or is it you are taking the urine 'cos I am a civvy?
But I did have 5 promotions in the first 15 years :)
 
#10
Litotes said:
welshlad91 said:
hey guys just wondering how often do u get promoted like how many years on average is inbetween each rank?

any help appreciated :)
That depends upon you, your trade and how many are in your cohort.

Care to enlighten us on your length of service and your trade?

The average figures used to be published by DASA and I'll have a rummage (they are used by the Treasury Solicitor to counter claims such as a private soldier in his first year claiming that "I could easily have reached WO1 by 30 years of age and then gone onto become Brigadier...").

Litotes
im not actually in yet i got selection on thursday but i was just wondering how long it takes. i am hopefully joinin as fitter general.
 
#11
Major_Catastrophe said:
I asked similar question the other day regarding my son. He is a reccy mech and been in three years. Did mention sonething about going on a L Cpl course but nothing happened as far as I know (still I am only his Dad I guess). How soon could he be promoted? I assume certain people 'fail' promotions as there seems to be a lot of people on the lookout for promotion board results these last few days.
The original poster has vanished, so I'll answer your question!

No-one "fails" a promotion board. They just might not be selected - and there are good reasons for that.

Your son has become part of a cohort; he and his contemporaries will move through military life as one. He will obtain his qualifications, gain experience and enjoy life with his colleagues. His Boss has to write an annual report on him (variously called a Confidential Report (CR) or Soldiers' Joint Appraisal Report (SJAR). In that report, his Boss will describe the 4 "P"s.... your son's post, personality, performance and potential. The report will be read and signed by your son in front of his Boss. Your son's Officer Commanding will then write a few sentences on him, concentrating on his potential for promotion and specific employments, and should grade him in comparison with his cohort, along the lines of "Cfn Smith is in the top third of his contemporaries and I strongly recommend that he be promoted now. He is suitable for employment in ......".

Again, your son will read and sign the report in front of the OC (yes, that is a lot of report writing and interviewing for OCs and COs). The completed report goes to Glasgow and into your son's file.

Now, there is some variation between Corps here and the rules have recently changed, and I am not at work and I can't check, so I am no longer on safe ground.... For promotion to LCpl, it used to be that once a soldier had served the minimum time for that rank and the CO had recommended him, then he was promoted. However, I think Glasgow has now taken everything in house and even private soldiers are graded at a promotion board, and I will describe that process.

Once your son becomes eligible for promotion (and after 3 year's service, he should be), his name will be flagged on the computer. If he is eligible and qualified, his file is then placed before a promotion board of officers from his Corps (once a year for each rank). The Board considers the last three reports for him and his cohort and grades each soldier. The grades are used to sort the cohort into an order of merit tempered by length of service. Those at the top of the list will promote in the next promotion year. Those in the middle may promote if there are vacancies. Those at the bottom won't promote unless there is a "bloody war".

Your son will have to be Class 2 at trade, recommended for promotion in his report and there will have to be a vacancy into which he can be promoted (which may be anywhere in the world...).

Litotes

Edited because I is a mong...
 
#12
welshlad91 said:
Litotes said:
welshlad91 said:
hey guys just wondering how often do u get promoted like how many years on average is inbetween each rank?

any help appreciated :)
That depends upon you, your trade and how many are in your cohort.

Care to enlighten us on your length of service and your trade?

The average figures used to be published by DASA and I'll have a rummage (they are used by the Treasury Solicitor to counter claims such as a private soldier in his first year claiming that "I could easily have reached WO1 by 30 years of age and then gone onto become Brigadier...").

Litotes
im not actually in yet i got selection on thursday but i was just wondering how long it takes. i am hopefully joinin as fitter general.
Why do I always try to answer the difficult ones?

I would guess 3-5 years for promotion to LCpl in that trade unless there is a shortage. Another 2-4 years to Cpl and another 2-3 years to Sgt. If you are very good, you will take 7 years to make Sgt, but realistically, the only soldiers who do so on a regular basis are RMP and some REME.

It is important to remember that a huge swathe of soldiers serve for 4 years and leave as private soldiers or JNCOs.

Litotes
 
#13
And the huger the swathe, the greater the opportunity for promotion.

Conversely, in times of good retention, promotion can be a bugger.
 
#14
putteesinmyhands said:
And the huger the swathe, the greater the opportunity for promotion.

Conversely, in times of good retention, promotion can be a bugger.
So, if current retention is so poor, why am I still a LCpl in charge of this poxy Bedding Store?

I should be, at least, like, a General. :D

Litotes
 
#15
Litotes said:
Major_Catastrophe said:
I asked similar question the other day regarding my son. He is a reccy mech and been in three years. Did mention sonething about going on a L Cpl course but nothing happened as far as I know (still I am only his Dad I guess). How soon could he be promoted? I assume certain people 'fail' promotions as there seems to be a lot of people on the lookout for promotion board results these last few days.
The original poster has vanished, so I'll answer your question!

No-one "fails" a promotion board. They just might not be selected - and there are good reasons for that.

Your son has become part of a cohort; he and his contemporaries will move through military life as one. He will obtain his qualifications, gain experience and enjoy life with his colleagues. His Boss has to write an annual report on him (variously called a Confidential Report (CR) or Soldiers' Joint Appraisal Report (SJAR). In that report, his Boss will describe the 4 "P"s.... your son's post, personality, performance and potential. The report will be read and signed by your son in front of his Boss. Your son's Officer Commanding will then write a few sentences on him, concentrating on his potential for promotion and specific employments, and should grade him in comparison with his cohort, along the lines of "Cfn Smith is in the top third of his contemporaries and I strongly recommend that he be promoted now. He is suitable for employment in ......".

Again, your son will read and sign the report in front of the OC (yes, that is a lot of report writing and interviewing for OCs and COs). The completed report goes to Glasgow and into your son's file.

Now, there is some variation between Corps here and the rules have recently changed, and I am not at work and I can't check, so I am no longer on safe ground.... For promotion to LCpl, it used to be that once a soldier had served the minimum time for that rank and the CO had recommended him, then he was promoted. However, I think Glasgow has now taken everything in house and even private soldiers are graded at a promotion board, and I will describe that process.

Once your son becomes eligible for promotion (and after 3 year's service, he should be), his name will be flagged on the computer. If he is eligible and qualified, his file is then placed before a promotion board of officers from his Corps (once a year for each rank). The Board considers the last three reports for him and his cohort and grades each soldier. The grades are used to sort the cohort into an order of merit tempered by length of service. Those at the top of the list will promote in the next promotion year. Those in the middle may promote if there are vacancies. Those at the bottom won't promote unless there is a "bloody war".

Your son will have to be Class 2 at trade, recommended for promotion in his report and there will have to be a vacancy into which he can be promoted (which may be anywhere in the world...).

Litotes

Much appreciated for you to take so much time out and explain to a civvy mong something of army workings to me. I am a little wiser now. Without getting boring about my son I expect his time will come soon enough, just not yet as he started out as an armourer and decided he didnt like it as it was too much of a fiddly trade for him so I suspect he has lost time on that and maybe he put some backs up/noses out by transfering trade as well. Just a thought the last bit. Cheers for your input/advice once again
 
#16
That's what welshlad wants to be. A Fitter with red tabs.
 
#17
Major_Catastrophe said:
Litotes said:
Major_Catastrophe said:
I asked similar question the other day regarding my son. He is a reccy mech and been in three years. Did mention sonething about going on a L Cpl course but nothing happened as far as I know (still I am only his Dad I guess). How soon could he be promoted? I assume certain people 'fail' promotions as there seems to be a lot of people on the lookout for promotion board results these last few days.
The original poster has vanished, so I'll answer your question!

No-one "fails" a promotion board. They just might not be selected - and there are good reasons for that.

Your son has become part of a cohort; he and his contemporaries will move through military life as one. He will obtain his qualifications, gain experience and enjoy life with his colleagues. His Boss has to write an annual report on him (variously called a Confidential Report (CR) or Soldiers' Joint Appraisal Report (SJAR). In that report, his Boss will describe the 4 "P"s.... your son's post, personality, performance and potential. The report will be read and signed by your son in front of his Boss. Your son's Officer Commanding will then write a few sentences on him, concentrating on his potential for promotion and specific employments, and should grade him in comparison with his cohort, along the lines of "Cfn Smith is in the top third of his contemporaries and I strongly recommend that he be promoted now. He is suitable for employment in ......".

Again, your son will read and sign the report in front of the OC (yes, that is a lot of report writing and interviewing for OCs and COs). The completed report goes to Glasgow and into your son's file.

Now, there is some variation between Corps here and the rules have recently changed, and I am not at work and I can't check, so I am no longer on safe ground.... For promotion to LCpl, it used to be that once a soldier had served the minimum time for that rank and the CO had recommended him, then he was promoted. However, I think Glasgow has now taken everything in house and even private soldiers are graded at a promotion board, and I will describe that process.

Once your son becomes eligible for promotion (and after 3 year's service, he should be), his name will be flagged on the computer. If he is eligible and qualified, his file is then placed before a promotion board of officers from his Corps (once a year for each rank). The Board considers the last three reports for him and his cohort and grades each soldier. The grades are used to sort the cohort into an order of merit tempered by length of service. Those at the top of the list will promote in the next promotion year. Those in the middle may promote if there are vacancies. Those at the bottom won't promote unless there is a "bloody war".

Your son will have to be Class 2 at trade, recommended for promotion in his report and there will have to be a vacancy into which he can be promoted (which may be anywhere in the world...).

Litotes
Major_Catastrophe said:
Much appreciated for you to take so much time out and explain to a civvy mong something of army workings to me. I am a little wiser now. Without getting boring about my son I expect his time will come soon enough, just not yet as he started out as an armourer and decided he didnt like it as it was too much of a fiddly trade for him so I suspect he has lost time on that and maybe he put some backs up/noses out by transfering trade as well. Just a thought the last bit. Cheers for your input/advice once again
MC,

When you quote me, drop right to the bottom of the text before you start typing. That retains the formatting and makes it easer to read!

If your son has transferred trades, he has, in effect, started again at the bottom. He will have to learn his trade and show that he has the experience and maturity to carry out his duties both as a Reccy Mech and as a soldier under all circumstances.

He won't have annoyed anyone; on the contrary, I think Reccy Mechs are a shortage trade (whilst Armourers are also in short supply, I don't think they have yet hit the headlines...).

Again, I guess 3-5 years would be typical for promotion to LCpl in the REME (other than for technicians) but I am open to correction. I have also seen too many soldiers who think that they are worth promoting when I would not trust them to walk my dog! I hope that your son is worth promoting!

Litotes
 
#18
Litotes said:
Major_Catastrophe said:
Litotes said:
Major_Catastrophe said:
I asked similar question the other day regarding my son. He is a reccy mech and been in three years. Did mention sonething about going on a L Cpl course but nothing happened as far as I know (still I am only his Dad I guess). How soon could he be promoted? I assume certain people 'fail' promotions as there seems to be a lot of people on the lookout for promotion board results these last few days.
The original poster has vanished, so I'll answer your question!

No-one "fails" a promotion board. They just might not be selected - and there are good reasons for that.

Your son has become part of a cohort; he and his contemporaries will move through military life as one. He will obtain his qualifications, gain experience and enjoy life with his colleagues. His Boss has to write an annual report on him (variously called a Confidential Report (CR) or Soldiers' Joint Appraisal Report (SJAR). In that report, his Boss will describe the 4 "P"s.... your son's post, personality, performance and potential. The report will be read and signed by your son in front of his Boss. Your son's Officer Commanding will then write a few sentences on him, concentrating on his potential for promotion and specific employments, and should grade him in comparison with his cohort, along the lines of "Cfn Smith is in the top third of his contemporaries and I strongly recommend that he be promoted now. He is suitable for employment in ......".

Again, your son will read and sign the report in front of the OC (yes, that is a lot of report writing and interviewing for OCs and COs). The completed report goes to Glasgow and into your son's file.

Now, there is some variation between Corps here and the rules have recently changed, and I am not at work and I can't check, so I am no longer on safe ground.... For promotion to LCpl, it used to be that once a soldier had served the minimum time for that rank and the CO had recommended him, then he was promoted. However, I think Glasgow has now taken everything in house and even private soldiers are graded at a promotion board, and I will describe that process.

Once your son becomes eligible for promotion (and after 3 year's service, he should be), his name will be flagged on the computer. If he is eligible and qualified, his file is then placed before a promotion board of officers from his Corps (once a year for each rank). The Board considers the last three reports for him and his cohort and grades each soldier. The grades are used to sort the cohort into an order of merit tempered by length of service. Those at the top of the list will promote in the next promotion year. Those in the middle may promote if there are vacancies. Those at the bottom won't promote unless there is a "bloody war".

Your son will have to be Class 2 at trade, recommended for promotion in his report and there will have to be a vacancy into which he can be promoted (which may be anywhere in the world...).

Litotes
Major_Catastrophe said:
Much appreciated for you to take so much time out and explain to a civvy mong something of army workings to me. I am a little wiser now. Without getting boring about my son I expect his time will come soon enough, just not yet as he started out as an armourer and decided he didnt like it as it was too much of a fiddly trade for him so I suspect he has lost time on that and maybe he put some backs up/noses out by transfering trade as well. Just a thought the last bit. Cheers for your input/advice once again
MC,

When you quote me, drop right to the bottom of the text before you start typing. That retains the formatting and makes it easer to read!

If your son has transferred trades, he has, in effect, started again at the bottom. He will have to learn his trade and show that he has the experience and maturity to carry out his duties both as a Reccy Mech and as a soldier under all circumstances.

He won't have annoyed anyone; on the contrary, I think Reccy Mechs are a shortage trade (whilst Armourers are also in short supply, I don't think they have yet hit the headlines...).

Again, I guess 3-5 years would be typical for promotion to LCpl in the REME (other than for technicians) but I am open to correction. I have also seen too many soldiers who think that they are worth promoting when I would not trust them to walk my dog! I hope that your son is worth promoting!

Litotes
Thanks again for info on both my lad and how to use this forum properly (I though I had f****d things up as I posted it). He transferred very early on so hopefully not too much time lost. Someone did say they were short of reccy mechs the other day and then said that many were downgraded (at which point I had to enquire as to what downgraded meant).

I would not have trusted him to walk my dog a couple of years ago let alone yours. But I think the army are making something of him one way and another.

Cheers for all the advice once more................

Hoping this post appears properly this time
 
#19
Major_Catastrophe said:
Litotes said:
Major_Catastrophe said:
Litotes said:
Major_Catastrophe said:
I asked similar question the other day regarding my son. He is a reccy mech and been in three years. Did mention sonething about going on a L Cpl course but nothing happened as far as I know (still I am only his Dad I guess). How soon could he be promoted? I assume certain people 'fail' promotions as there seems to be a lot of people on the lookout for promotion board results these last few days.
The original poster has vanished, so I'll answer your question!

No-one "fails" a promotion board. They just might not be selected - and there are good reasons for that.

Your son has become part of a cohort; he and his contemporaries will move through military life as one. He will obtain his qualifications, gain experience and enjoy life with his colleagues. His Boss has to write an annual report on him (variously called a Confidential Report (CR) or Soldiers' Joint Appraisal Report (SJAR). In that report, his Boss will describe the 4 "P"s.... your son's post, personality, performance and potential. The report will be read and signed by your son in front of his Boss. Your son's Officer Commanding will then write a few sentences on him, concentrating on his potential for promotion and specific employments, and should grade him in comparison with his cohort, along the lines of "Cfn Smith is in the top third of his contemporaries and I strongly recommend that he be promoted now. He is suitable for employment in ......".

Again, your son will read and sign the report in front of the OC (yes, that is a lot of report writing and interviewing for OCs and COs). The completed report goes to Glasgow and into your son's file.

Now, there is some variation between Corps here and the rules have recently changed, and I am not at work and I can't check, so I am no longer on safe ground.... For promotion to LCpl, it used to be that once a soldier had served the minimum time for that rank and the CO had recommended him, then he was promoted. However, I think Glasgow has now taken everything in house and even private soldiers are graded at a promotion board, and I will describe that process.

Once your son becomes eligible for promotion (and after 3 year's service, he should be), his name will be flagged on the computer. If he is eligible and qualified, his file is then placed before a promotion board of officers from his Corps (once a year for each rank). The Board considers the last three reports for him and his cohort and grades each soldier. The grades are used to sort the cohort into an order of merit tempered by length of service. Those at the top of the list will promote in the next promotion year. Those in the middle may promote if there are vacancies. Those at the bottom won't promote unless there is a "bloody war".

Your son will have to be Class 2 at trade, recommended for promotion in his report and there will have to be a vacancy into which he can be promoted (which may be anywhere in the world...).

Litotes
Major_Catastrophe said:
Much appreciated for you to take so much time out and explain to a civvy mong something of army workings to me. I am a little wiser now. Without getting boring about my son I expect his time will come soon enough, just not yet as he started out as an armourer and decided he didnt like it as it was too much of a fiddly trade for him so I suspect he has lost time on that and maybe he put some backs up/noses out by transfering trade as well. Just a thought the last bit. Cheers for your input/advice once again
MC,

When you quote me, drop right to the bottom of the text before you start typing. That retains the formatting and makes it easer to read!

If your son has transferred trades, he has, in effect, started again at the bottom. He will have to learn his trade and show that he has the experience and maturity to carry out his duties both as a Reccy Mech and as a soldier under all circumstances.

He won't have annoyed anyone; on the contrary, I think Reccy Mechs are a shortage trade (whilst Armourers are also in short supply, I don't think they have yet hit the headlines...).

Again, I guess 3-5 years would be typical for promotion to LCpl in the REME (other than for technicians) but I am open to correction. I have also seen too many soldiers who think that they are worth promoting when I would not trust them to walk my dog! I hope that your son is worth promoting!

Litotes
Thanks again for info on both my lad and how to use this forum properly (I though I had f****d things up as I posted it). He transferred very early on so hopefully not too much time lost. Someone did say they were short of reccy mechs the other day and then said that many were downgraded (at which point I had to enquire as to what downgraded meant).

I would not have trusted him to walk my dog a couple of years ago let alone yours. But I think the army are making something of him one way and another.

Cheers for all the advice once more................

Hoping this post appears properly this time
Good man. I'll grade you as "A" and "ready for promotion". :D

Litotes
 
#20
Litotes said:
Major_Catastrophe said:
Litotes said:
Major_Catastrophe said:
Litotes said:
Major_Catastrophe said:
I asked similar question the other day regarding my son. He is a reccy mech and been in three years. Did mention sonething about going on a L Cpl course but nothing happened as far as I know (still I am only his Dad I guess). How soon could he be promoted? I assume certain people 'fail' promotions as there seems to be a lot of people on the lookout for promotion board results these last few days.
The original poster has vanished, so I'll answer your question!

No-one "fails" a promotion board. They just might not be selected - and there are good reasons for that.

Your son has become part of a cohort; he and his contemporaries will move through military life as one. He will obtain his qualifications, gain experience and enjoy life with his colleagues. His Boss has to write an annual report on him (variously called a Confidential Report (CR) or Soldiers' Joint Appraisal Report (SJAR). In that report, his Boss will describe the 4 "P"s.... your son's post, personality, performance and potential. The report will be read and signed by your son in front of his Boss. Your son's Officer Commanding will then write a few sentences on him, concentrating on his potential for promotion and specific employments, and should grade him in comparison with his cohort, along the lines of "Cfn Smith is in the top third of his contemporaries and I strongly recommend that he be promoted now. He is suitable for employment in ......".

Again, your son will read and sign the report in front of the OC (yes, that is a lot of report writing and interviewing for OCs and COs). The completed report goes to Glasgow and into your son's file.

Now, there is some variation between Corps here and the rules have recently changed, and I am not at work and I can't check, so I am no longer on safe ground.... For promotion to LCpl, it used to be that once a soldier had served the minimum time for that rank and the CO had recommended him, then he was promoted. However, I think Glasgow has now taken everything in house and even private soldiers are graded at a promotion board, and I will describe that process.

Once your son becomes eligible for promotion (and after 3 year's service, he should be), his name will be flagged on the computer. If he is eligible and qualified, his file is then placed before a promotion board of officers from his Corps (once a year for each rank). The Board considers the last three reports for him and his cohort and grades each soldier. The grades are used to sort the cohort into an order of merit tempered by length of service. Those at the top of the list will promote in the next promotion year. Those in the middle may promote if there are vacancies. Those at the bottom won't promote unless there is a "bloody war".

Your son will have to be Class 2 at trade, recommended for promotion in his report and there will have to be a vacancy into which he can be promoted (which may be anywhere in the world...).

Litotes
Major_Catastrophe said:
Much appreciated for you to take so much time out and explain to a civvy mong something of army workings to me. I am a little wiser now. Without getting boring about my son I expect his time will come soon enough, just not yet as he started out as an armourer and decided he didnt like it as it was too much of a fiddly trade for him so I suspect he has lost time on that and maybe he put some backs up/noses out by transfering trade as well. Just a thought the last bit. Cheers for your input/advice once again
MC,

When you quote me, drop right to the bottom of the text before you start typing. That retains the formatting and makes it easer to read!

If your son has transferred trades, he has, in effect, started again at the bottom. He will have to learn his trade and show that he has the experience and maturity to carry out his duties both as a Reccy Mech and as a soldier under all circumstances.

He won't have annoyed anyone; on the contrary, I think Reccy Mechs are a shortage trade (whilst Armourers are also in short supply, I don't think they have yet hit the headlines...).

Again, I guess 3-5 years would be typical for promotion to LCpl in the REME (other than for technicians) but I am open to correction. I have also seen too many soldiers who think that they are worth promoting when I would not trust them to walk my dog! I hope that your son is worth promoting!

Litotes
Thanks again for info on both my lad and how to use this forum properly (I though I had f****d things up as I posted it). He transferred very early on so hopefully not too much time lost. Someone did say they were short of reccy mechs the other day and then said that many were downgraded (at which point I had to enquire as to what downgraded meant).

I would not have trusted him to walk my dog a couple of years ago let alone yours. But I think the army are making something of him one way and another.

Cheers for all the advice once more................

Hoping this post appears properly this time
Good man. I'll grade you as "A" and "ready for promotion". :D

Litotes
Well thank you. Look at me now showing off as I am capable of using this thing properly now lol.......

You seem to be very knowledgeable on army matters and patient of those like me who are naive but have an interest. Very refreshing as many here seem to despise the likes of me..........I know not why
 

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