Promotion for the downgraded

#1
Just a quick question as we have had a little chat amongst ourselves and there seems to be a difference of opinion.
If you are downgraded are you automatically removed from the promotion board?
Please note lads this is not a thread for your "All downgraders are oxygen thieves" type replys, it's just got me thinking, am i deploying on Ops and Ex for no reason other than making up the numbers.
If thats the case then i may have to think out my reason for stopping in the job.
Thanks for your replys in advance.
 
#2
No, you are not precluded from the board. If you are selected for promotion your case is then further decided by the medics who will decide whether your promotion is acceptable given your downgrading status. I am downgraded, but still picked up. There is still hope!

And before anyone has a pop, I couldn't give a toss!

DG
 
#3
DigitalGeek said:
No, you are not precluded from the board. If you are selected for promotion your case is then further decided by the medics who will decide whether your promotion is acceptable given your downgrading status. I am downgraded, but still picked up. There is still hope!

And before anyone has a pop, I couldn't give a toss!

DG
Is that why you're downgraded?
 
#4
Found this albeit on an RAC type question

"No. Although you may not be FE, that does not preclude you from being graded at a promotion board (assuming you are both recommended and qualified). If you are above the quality line, then MCM Div will try to find suitable employment that will allow you to promote."

Might help but you know as well as I do it's because your face doesn't fit.
 
#7
Just left a unit (ok he was REME) where the Cpls VE's was downgraded (he could not bend or pick up a tool box so could not work on vehicles or deploy 'was not allowed to fire weapons or wear webbing etc due to bad back')

He still picked up his Sgt and was posted to a unit readying for deployment to Iraq (could not go on tours of course) ends up doing the same as he always did geeking on comp at new unit.
 
#11
right-grumpy said:
Great so you get selected but cannot get promoted because you cannot complete a JCCC.
Is there not a downgraded version? If not, is that not against equal ops?

I was P3 LE, did everything my peers did...tours, job etc, but was not allowed to do a BFT/ CFT! So I get held back for promotion?
If I did get selected, I could never be substansive, so is that discrimination?
 
#12
Thats shocking. If your PULHEEMS standard is downgraded then in my opinion you should not get promotion. If your not fit to do 100% of your job how can someone get promoted and be unfit for duties or deployment ??

So we are now promoting Biff Chit's to provide leadership to the able bodied & racing snakes ?

No harm meant to anyone who has a temporary sports injury or hurt on Ops but to see a Blanket Stacker with a bad back & unable to deploy as he is a serial Sick Note & then get his Third. Not on my watch. FFS what is this Man's Army coming to ?
 
#13
greasyjoe said:
right-grumpy said:
Great so you get selected but cannot get promoted because you cannot complete a JCCC.
Is there not a downgraded version? If not, is that not against equal ops?

I was P3 LE, did everything my peers did...tours, job etc, but was not allowed to do a BFT/ CFT!
So I get held back for promotion?
If I did get selected, I could never be substansive, so is that discrimination?
In exactly the same boat except I was promoted 3 times since I was first down graded over 10 years ago. Each cap badge and trade has different needs and requirements, each case should be taken on merit and circumstance, I would sooner see a good leader who can't run, than a crap one who can do 8 min BFT!
 
#14
58_Pattern said:
Thats shocking. If your PULHEEMS standard is downgraded then in my opinion you should not get promotion. If your not fit to do 100% of your job how can someone get promoted and be unfit for duties or deployment ??
There is a difference between doing your job at 100% and being downgraded though.

I know people who are permanently Dg'd for genuine injuries that they cannot recover from, yet they still manage to perform their job to a high standard, deploy on Ops and not shirk duties.

Cases should be reviewed individually.

The new policy (it is, isnt it?) for PFT/CFT for JCC will see a lot of good lance corporals staying at that rank as they cannot meet the criteria. As a result you'll see those lads waving goodbye and going to civvi street, taking their knowledge and job skills with them.

Here we go again.. S'like Deja vu from the early 90s.. the older lads'll leave in their droves, leaving a younger, healthier, inexperienced Corps behind 'em.
 
#15
"Cases should be reviewed individually"

Completely agree with Fatbadge. Feels like we'll end up with a situation similar to the one that has dogged the corps since options for change back in the day. As an aside, a very good friend of mine was downgraded, having lost the use of a limb. Strangely enough promotion came thick and fast for him. Perhaps because of the managerial negligence that led to his injury? Horses for courses eh?
 
#16
Being downgraded should not and will not stop you from being promoted, if you are above the quality line and there is a job you can do, why should the Army curtail your prospects. (It lots of cases, the Army is the one that damaged the individual in the first place)

This is the key point, there has to be a job which you can perform and do a positive days work. If this is working on a computer or being the families NCO, or staying on rear party, if this is all you can do. At least it’s productive and you earn your money. What is needed is more clarity on what the physical requirements of a position truly are and spaces found for those individuals who become downgraded.

The problem may be, the Military could lower the physical requirements for entry. You don’t have to be a physical adonis for most staff positions or clerk’s posts (as an example) . How would you feel if we started employing people who started off as downgraded?
 
#17
I did ask for this not to be that type of thread and this could be a wah but :roll:

58_Pattern said:
Thats shocking. If your PULHEEMS standard is downgraded then in my opinion you should not get promotion. If your not fit to do 100% of your job how can someone get promoted and be unfit for duties or deployment ??

My PULHEEMS is downgraded so in your case fair enough i wont be picked up, however as im the only bloke who can do my type of job in my sqn and as im downgraded i shouldnt be promoted then why the f**k should i deploy on every ex and tour that fit and able racing snakes dodge by doing regt x-country, running team or play rugby for the regt and therefore dont tip up to work except for every third friday so long as its poets day because of trg/matches.

So we are now promoting Biff Chit's to provide leadership to the able bodied & racing snakes ?

My job doesnt have me in a 432 leading blokes to war as you quite rightly state that would be wrong, however if you can run fast does it make you good at your job :?

No harm meant to anyone who has a temporary sports injury or hurt on Ops but to see a Blanket Stacker with a bad back & unable to deploy as he is a serial Sick Note & then get his Third. Not on my watch. FFS what is this Man's Army coming to ?Ahh but those blankets keep you warm sweet cheeks (although ill probably be dishing them out in warmer climes so they'll be the thin ones :wink: )

Oh and during this year my Sqn has at least 7 months away and we dont actually deploy till late on in the year and all the biffs are going, you seem to have the biffs and the shirkers mixed up mate
 
#18
I dont understand where 58 Pattern is going with this! Unless it is a WAH! BUT...the whole point is...for me anyway, I could do my job, 100%, I deployed on op tours, I did everything everyone else did who was FE. Just not a long walk and a short run!
So what is your point 58?
 
#19
mate, don't worry about it.

just sit back relax & become the complete & utter "oxygen thief" that people up the chain of command believe you are once the army "breaks" you.
 
#20
A_Knocker_Till_The_End said:
mate, don't worry about it.

just sit back relax & become the complete & utter "oxygen thief" that people up the chain of command believe you are once the army "breaks" you.
Your sooooooooo right Knocker!
Cheers mate.
 

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