Promotion Courses - Which ones and When?

#1
I recently completed my JCLM course, only to find out afterwards that I may have had exemption due to my MPC course 8 years ago (someone I know in the same boat was told he didn't have to do it).
On Friday a mate from work told me that as far as he was aware, you need a DIT course to get promoted to Sgt, but I was under the impression that that course was only for those planning to do teaching or instructing.

After a bit of consultation with various other colleagues, I have come to the conclusion that no one has a clue what courses they need, now or later. Is there a publication somewhere that spells out the criteria for promotion for all ranks? Otherwise, at this rate, I'll still be a Junior Rank at 40 :(
 
#2
It's good to do CLM as it will keep you more up to date as we all know things change every five minutes.

You will need DIT's for promotion to Sgt. I can't remember when this comes into effect but all NCO's should have some form of instructional qualification.
 
#3
As far as I can tell it's all Chinese whispers though. Everyone knows someone who's done it differently, and when we're talking about possibly hindering people's careers it becomes rather worrying.
 
#4
strima said:
It's good to do CLM as it will keep you more up to date as we all know things change every five minutes.

You will need DIT's for promotion to Sgt. I can't remember when this comes into effect but all NCO's should have some form of instructional qualification.
Why would you need DIT for promotion to Sgt?

You only need it if you are going on Instructor courses.

Unless of course, it is purely an RLC thing?
 
#5
The last CRSM brief I had, a while ago, it was stated that all seniors were to have DIT. Could be a load of crap but that's the RLC for you.
 
#7
An RLC Cpl at my Unit just come off the Sgts board, and he isnt DIT trained. In fact, I remember him doing a 10 min powerpoint presentation, and he was sh1te :D

So, bollocks methinks.
 
#8
Let's hope so. I have no problems with having to do courses unnecessarily, it's more a case of finding out I needed a course after it was too late.
 
#10
When I get chance I'll have a dig around in work but no doubt some one else will post the correct answer.
 
#11
skintboymike said:
Let's hope so. I have no problems with having to do courses unnecessarily, it's more a case of finding out I needed a course after it was too late.
Aww just do it got to be better than counting FF1's and EBC :wink:
 
#12
That's my reasoning too, it was a good few days away from home and I did actually benefit from it. My only gripe is that the people attempting to influence our careers haven't got a clue what they're doing or why.
 
#13
Asked the question today, and was told it was a load of sh1te.

If you have it , it is a good indicator, if not, no big deal.
 
#14
skintboymike said:
I recently completed my JCLM course, only to find out afterwards that I may have had exemption due to my MPC course 8 years ago (someone I know in the same boat was told he didn't have to do it).
On Friday a mate from work told me that as far as he was aware, you need a DIT course to get promoted to Sgt, but I was under the impression that that course was only for those planning to do teaching or instructing.

After a bit of consultation with various other colleagues, I have come to the conclusion that no one has a clue what courses they need, now or later. Is there a publication somewhere that spells out the criteria for promotion for all ranks? Otherwise, at this rate, I'll still be a Junior Rank at 40 :(
It is true personnel that completed their MPC a few years back (Not sure of the date but will find out in work tomorow) are exempt JCLM but completing this Cse will only aide your career not hampen.

You do not need DIT for SELECTION to Sgt but you will require to pass it within 12 months of wearing your rank, the same rules as MPCA, this is Corps specific and I have many friends that feel agrieved doing a DIT Cse as they have been Instr's for a long time, but thats the way it is.

Are you posted on an outpost with no career advice available? You seem very ill-informed, I suggest you ask for an interview with either your Sqn 2IC or RCMO, if they are not RLC they should find out this information for you if they are worth their salt. There is also Info available on ArmyNet and the RLC website, the Corps Rag often has CLM Info if, great reading during toilet time!

Do not fall into the trap that a number a Cpl's did on this years Sgt's board by not understanding the current education requirments for promotion, no doubt some of these individuals couldn't be bothered turning up at a MCM Div roadshow as they thought they knew it all!

If you want to make it into the Sgts' Mess you are expected to think for yourself and not be spoon fed Info regarding YOUR career requirments.

Gd luck.
 
#15
DRLC Trg Policy are responsible for setting the policy for RLC CLM at all levels from the new PNCO cse (for sldrs selected for LCpl), up to the RLC WO cse.

DRLC Trg Pol ran a briefing day back in March this year for all RLC unit RCMOs/2ICs/Adjts/etc to ensure the RLC CofC undrstand the changes. They have also sent out a number of letters and put info in the Sustainer.

The changes were not an HQ DRLC idea, but were pushed on all Capbadges by RoSCTE. The RoSCTE report has meant everyone has to go onto a 4 tier system. Clearly the RLC was on a 3 tier system (MPC, MPC(A) and RLC WO Cse), but the policy change has meant the introduction of the RLC JNCO CLM cse which individuals will have to complete once they have been selected for promotion to CPL.

I can't go into all the detail here so I recommend you get your CofC to contact DRLC Trg Pol Branch at Deepcut so they can get an up to date brief on the new policy.

As already stated above, it is the responsibility of every individual to take an active interest in their own career the best they can, or I would suggest they don't have one!!! The information is out there and often sat on a table in your own unit lines!
 
#16
Rowco said:
DRLC Trg Policy are responsible for setting the policy for RLC CLM at all levels from the new PNCO cse (for sldrs selected for LCpl), up to the RLC WO cse.

DRLC Trg Pol ran a briefing day back in March this year for all RLC unit RCMOs/2ICs/Adjts/etc to ensure the RLC CofC undrstand the changes. They have also sent out a number of letters and put info in the Sustainer.

The changes were not an HQ DRLC idea, but were pushed on all Capbadges by RoSCTE. The RoSCTE report has meant everyone has to go onto a 4 tier system. Clearly the RLC was on a 3 tier system (MPC, MPC(A) and RLC WO Cse), but the policy change has meant the introduction of the RLC JNCO CLM cse which individuals will have to complete once they have been selected for promotion to CPL.

I can't go into all the detail here so I recommend you get your CofC to contact DRLC Trg Pol Branch at Deepcut so they can get an up to date brief on the new policy.

As already stated above, it is the responsibility of every individual to take an active interest in their own career the best they can, or I would suggest they don't have one!!! The information is out there and often sat on a table in your own unit lines!
You at RLC Soldier Wing by any chance?
 
#19
You definately need DIT for promotion to Sgt,Comes in 3 parts CLM Pt1 which is on your MPC(A) cse or whatever its called now,Pt2 is a workbook to be completed in 3-6 months also with Pt2 you need to do basic Maths/english level 2 (School grades at B count)and IT and also your DIT! Then the Pt3 is a week in the Education centre!BUT BUT you are a substansive Sgt after Pt1(MPC(a)!You just cant progress to next rank till all is completed!
 
#20
As pointed out, an individual is responsible for his/her own career. I consider myself to be a rather keen individual who always strives to reach one rank beyond. To achieve this, I need courses. To get these, I ask those in the know, ie my CofC, colleagues, education centre, etc which courses I need. My point is this;

heidtheba said:
You only need it if you are going on Instructor courses.

heidtheba said:
Asked the question today, and was told it was a load of sh1te. If you have it , it is a good indicator, if not, no big deal.
strima said:
You will need DIT's for promotion to Sgt.
Moon_Monkey_Spunk said:
You do not need DIT for SELECTION to Sgt but you will require to pass it within 12 months of wearing your rank.
Regardless of the facts, everyone knows different. I was told I had to do my CLM by my CofC, whether I thought I needed it or not. It turns out I didn't need it, and was in fact exempt. This wasn't my mistake, as I queried it before I went. This was my line managers telling me they know best (as it turns out, they didn't).

What happens when the scenario is reversed? What if a soldier knows he needs a course, but his CofC deem it unnecessary?

For the self-righteous on here - it's very easy telling people to research the requirements themselves. I have done, using the CofC, 24 AEC, Armynet, and finally ARRSE. I am still none the wiser, and I have proved that many people on here are in the same boat. My only hope is to keep putting in for random courses that I've heard about on the grapevine, in the vain hope that I don't end up missing the one that really matters.
 

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