Profiling?

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  1. Trip_Wire

    Trip_Wire RIP

    Profiling?

    To ensure we Americans never offend anyone -- particularly
    fanatics intent on killing us -- law enforcement and security
    screeners are not allowed to "profile" people in public places or
    security checkpoints. However, they will continue to perform
    random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots
    with proper identification, Secret Service agents who are members
    of the President's security detail, 85-year-old congressmen with
    metal hips and even Medal of Honor recipients. But targeting
    Middle Eastern male Islamists between the ages 17 and 40
    constitutes "ethnic profiling."

    Let's pause a moment and review....

    In 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by: (a) A salesman from
    Utah (b) An construction worker (c) A college student on Spring
    Break (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17
    and 40.

    In 1972, 11 Israeli athletes were killed at the Munich Olympics
    by: (a) Your grandmother (b) A Midwest auto-parts dealer (c) A
    mom and her 6-year-old son visiting from Indiana (d) Middle
    Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

    In 1979, the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over by: (a) A
    bluegrass band (b) Dallas Cowboy fans (c) A tour group of
    80-year-old women (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the
    ages of 17 and 40.

    During the 1980's numerous Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon
    by: (a) A family on their way to Disney World (b) Jesse Ventura
    (c) A Boy Scout Troop (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between
    the ages of 17 and 40.

    In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by: (a)
    A pizza delivery boy (b) The UPS guy (c) Geraldo Rivera making up
    for a slow news day (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the
    ages of 17 and 40.

    In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked, and a
    70-year-old disabled American passenger was murdered and thrown
    overboard by: (a) A girls' choir (b) A hardware store owner (c) A
    secretary (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of
    17 and 40.

    In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a U.S. Navy
    diver was murdered by: (a) A Marine officer with two weeks leave
    (b) A plumber going to visit his mom (c) A Catholic nun (d)
    Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

    In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by: (a) A college-bound
    freshman (b) A cardiac surgeon on his way to Houston (c) A
    waitress (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17
    and 40.

    In 1993, the World Trade Center was bombed by: (a) A starving
    actress (b) A mom with a newborn (c) Twin six-year-old boys (d)
    Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

    In 1995, a plot to blow up U.S.-bound international flights over
    the Pacific was attempted by (a) Hawaiian school kids (b) An
    decorated Vietnam Veteran (c) Twin sisters on their way to
    Paducah (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17
    and 40.

    In 1998, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
    (a) A local TV weatherman (b) A dad and his two sons on a ski
    trip (c) A widower going to visit his grandchildren (d) Middle
    Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

    In 2000, 17 sailors died in an attack on the USS Cole (DDG 67) in
    Yemen by: (a) A child in a stroller (b) A high school class on
    their way to visit Washington, DC (c) Newlyweds on their way to
    Miami (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17
    and 40.

    On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked -- two flown into the
    World Trade Centers, one into the Pentagon and one into the
    ground in rural Pennsylvania. They were hijacked by: (a) A
    retired police officer on a mission trip to Haiti (b) A
    firefighter going to Maryland for training (c) An paramedic on
    his way to vacation in Hawaii (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males
    between the ages of 17 and 40.

    In 2002 the United States liberated Afghanistan from: (a) USAID
    relief workers (b) Jewish Pilgrims (c) Christian missionaries (d)
    Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

    In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl and other Westerners were kidnapped
    and beheaded by: (a) The Peace Corp (b) Scottish clansmen (c)
    Cuban refugees (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages
    of 17 and 40.

    In 2002, more than 330 hostages in Beslan and 130 hostages in
    Moscow were murdered in sieges by: (a) Russian exchange students
    (b) The Red Guard (c) Church planters (d) Middle Eastern Islamist
    males between the ages of 17 and 40.

    In 2003 the United States liberated Iraq from "The Butcher of
    Baghdad," but most American military personnel were killed by:
    (a) Iraqi school-girls (b) Street vegetable venders (c) Women
    without burkas (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages
    of 17 and 40.

    In 2004, more than 200 Spanish civilians were murdered on trains
    by bombs in Madrid, detonated by: (a) Morning commuters (b) A
    three-year-old Chinese girl (c) Flamenco dancers (d) Middle
    Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

    In 2005 more than 50 UK citizens were killed by bombs on trains
    in London, detonated by: (a) Rail workers (b) Those unable to
    hail taxis (c) Wheelchair-bound grandmothers (d) Middle Eastern
    Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

    In 2005, there were hundreds of casualties, men, women and
    children, killed by bombs in Jerusalem, Riyadh and Amman. These
    innocent civilians were murdered by: (a) Construction workers (b)
    Farmers (c) Christian missionaries (d) Middle Eastern Islamist
    males between the ages of 17 and 40.

    In 2005, the city of Paris, and other European cities experienced
    an extended period of riots and destruction. The unrest was led
    by: (a) "Youth" (b) Soccer fans (c) Catholic nuns (d) Middle
    Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

    Since the beginning of Operation Iraqi Freedom, more than 2,500
    Americans have been murdered by terrorists. 35,000 Iraqi men,
    women and children have also been murdered by terrorists. Most of
    the combat and civilians casualties were the result of bombs
    detonated in civilian population centers by: (a) Fruit vendors in
    Baghdad (b) Disgruntled transit union workers (c) Iraqi
    schoolteachers (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages
    of 17 and 40.

    In 2006, hundreds of Israeli civilians have been killed by
    rockets launched by: (a) the Salvation Army (b) remnants of the
    'Jackson Five' (c) the cast of 'Friends' (d) Middle Eastern
    Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

    In 2006, a plot to blow up 10 U.S.-bound planes from the U.K. was
    attempted by (a) members of the royal family (b) Japanese
    tourists (c) groupies of the band 'Cream' (d) Middle Eastern
    Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

    Since 2001, the FBI reports that there are major terrorist cells
    still in U.S. urban centers. Several of these cells have been
    uncovered and cell members arrested. In every case, the
    terrorists cell members were: (a) Southern Baptists
    Conventioneers (b) Lutheran Youth Groups (c) Presbyterian Elders
    (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

    President George Bush said this week, "America is at war with
    Islamic fascists who will use any means to destroy those of us
    who love freedom, to hurt our nation." The Council on
    American-Islamic Relations issued an immediate objection to the
    President's reference to "Islamic fascists". Nihad Awad,
    executive director of CAIR protested, "We have to isolate these
    individuals because there is nothing in the Koran or the Islamic
    faith that encourages people to be cruel or to be vicious or to
    be criminal. Muslims world wide know that for sure." In light of
    this objection, we are left to ponder why every Islamic leader in
    the U.S., and the world, does not publicly condemn every terror
    action being undertaken in the name of the god of Islam. Their
    silence is deafening...

    Between 1970 and present, there were more than 60 other notable
    examples of terrorism perpetrated by Middle Eastern male
    Islamists between the ages 17 and 40, but we think you get the
    point. Singling out "Middle Eastern male Islamists between the
    ages 17 and 40" is not "ethnic profiling," it's "terrorist
    profiling" -- acting on prolific evidence.

    Anyone for Terrorist Profiling?
     
  2. Well, after reading this story, I think (b) is as likely as (d)

    (edited because link was broken)
     
  3. Trip_Wire

    Trip_Wire RIP

    Your link doesn't work! Pages no longer there.

    Perhaps this will do.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Embassy_Siege
     
  4. Are these trick questions?
     
  5. Yes and your knicked Abdullah!! Don't give me that White Caucasian serving Soldier bullsh!t we have heard it all before.....
     
  6. So Trip Wire, can I lump all Americans into narrow minded people who will only accept their way of looking at the world as being the right one. Ever pause to think what the reasons are for the whole thing? Course not, because then you wouldn't post such simplistic patronising crap.

    Of course those who seek to kill and terrorise innocents should be rooted out and destroyed. But there is more to the world that just the USA.
     
  7. Yes, but profiling does work to a great extent, though there will always be exceptions (though many of these are known by the security forces).

    bring back the Blackadder foreign policy (see a man in a grass skirt/wearing a teatowel on his head, shoot him and steal his country).
     
  8. Trip_Wire

    Trip_Wire RIP

    Actually, I didn't write this article. I thought, it was rather humorous, in a grim sort of way. The article really is aimed at poking fun, at Americans and especially our currant trend to always be 'politicaly correct,' even though is's pretty obvious, who the enemy is in most cases.

    Perhaps, you need to loosen up a bit, as you appear to be wound a little tight. :wink:
     
  9. You. Without you we wouldnt be in this mess would we?
     
  10. Profiling does work and I hope we all start it , much less grief from the old Mum when going to the U.S.A or Europe.

    Proof needed.

    Well exactly how many EL AL aircraft have been hijacked ?

    Oh I do believe that company has a profiling policy.

    it seems to work.

    Q.E.D.
     
  11. Actually, I didn't write this article. I thought, it was rather humorous, in a grim sort of way. The article really is aimed at poking fun, at Americans and especially our currant trend to always be 'politicaly correct,' even though is's pretty obvious, who the enemy is in most cases.

    Perhaps, you need to loosen up a bit, as you appear to be wound a little tight. :wink:[/quote]

    Ok... while there is some humour in it for those who can get sarcasm - which I can, but for many Americans that I have met seems to be beyond them - there are a lot to whom the post is ,sadly, a reasoned arguement. By saying that it is pretty obvious who the enemy is when using the context of the post referring to Middle Easter male aged 17 to 40 you are promoting collective judgement. In the same way as radical islamists lump the west in general as the enemy you are no better than them in being able to make a reasoned rational judgement. As long as there are people like you on both sides, the conflict will continue. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

    Maybe on something like this I am not so much wound a little tight as tired of hearing one sided attitudes that are long on xenophobia and short on ability to sort through the headlines and look at the causes of the whole thing. :roll:
     
  12. Ok so you are right to focus on the causes of the whole thing but while we are working on righting the wrongs and winning the hearts and minds of those who wish to destroy us do you not think that taking a good hard look at "Middle Eastern males aged 17 to 40 " is a sensible idea?

    A security guard has only a certain amount of time available to search/screen people should he be forced to be random in his choice of who to stop or should he concentrate his efforts?

    If you were getting on the plane/train/boat/whatever who would you rather the security guys checked, the 80 year old granny or the Middle Eastern male aged 17 to 40?
     
  13. Profiling is already in operation at UK airports, and has been for years. It is used by HM Customs.
     
  14. diplomat

    diplomat War Hero Book Reviewer

    True, but for people entering the country!! Not leaving.
     
  15. Entering,leaving; still profiling!