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Profiling?

#1
Profiling?

To ensure we Americans never offend anyone -- particularly
fanatics intent on killing us -- law enforcement and security
screeners are not allowed to "profile" people in public places or
security checkpoints. However, they will continue to perform
random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots
with proper identification, Secret Service agents who are members
of the President's security detail, 85-year-old congressmen with
metal hips and even Medal of Honor recipients. But targeting
Middle Eastern male Islamists between the ages 17 and 40
constitutes "ethnic profiling."

Let's pause a moment and review....

In 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by: (a) A salesman from
Utah (b) An construction worker (c) A college student on Spring
Break (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17
and 40.

In 1972, 11 Israeli athletes were killed at the Munich Olympics
by: (a) Your grandmother (b) A Midwest auto-parts dealer (c) A
mom and her 6-year-old son visiting from Indiana (d) Middle
Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 1979, the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over by: (a) A
bluegrass band (b) Dallas Cowboy fans (c) A tour group of
80-year-old women (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the
ages of 17 and 40.

During the 1980's numerous Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon
by: (a) A family on their way to Disney World (b) Jesse Ventura
(c) A Boy Scout Troop (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between
the ages of 17 and 40.

In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by: (a)
A pizza delivery boy (b) The UPS guy (c) Geraldo Rivera making up
for a slow news day (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the
ages of 17 and 40.

In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked, and a
70-year-old disabled American passenger was murdered and thrown
overboard by: (a) A girls' choir (b) A hardware store owner (c) A
secretary (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of
17 and 40.

In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a U.S. Navy
diver was murdered by: (a) A Marine officer with two weeks leave
(b) A plumber going to visit his mom (c) A Catholic nun (d)
Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by: (a) A college-bound
freshman (b) A cardiac surgeon on his way to Houston (c) A
waitress (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17
and 40.

In 1993, the World Trade Center was bombed by: (a) A starving
actress (b) A mom with a newborn (c) Twin six-year-old boys (d)
Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 1995, a plot to blow up U.S.-bound international flights over
the Pacific was attempted by (a) Hawaiian school kids (b) An
decorated Vietnam Veteran (c) Twin sisters on their way to
Paducah (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17
and 40.

In 1998, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by:
(a) A local TV weatherman (b) A dad and his two sons on a ski
trip (c) A widower going to visit his grandchildren (d) Middle
Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 2000, 17 sailors died in an attack on the USS Cole (DDG 67) in
Yemen by: (a) A child in a stroller (b) A high school class on
their way to visit Washington, DC (c) Newlyweds on their way to
Miami (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17
and 40.

On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked -- two flown into the
World Trade Centers, one into the Pentagon and one into the
ground in rural Pennsylvania. They were hijacked by: (a) A
retired police officer on a mission trip to Haiti (b) A
firefighter going to Maryland for training (c) An paramedic on
his way to vacation in Hawaii (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males
between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 2002 the United States liberated Afghanistan from: (a) USAID
relief workers (b) Jewish Pilgrims (c) Christian missionaries (d)
Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl and other Westerners were kidnapped
and beheaded by: (a) The Peace Corp (b) Scottish clansmen (c)
Cuban refugees (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages
of 17 and 40.

In 2002, more than 330 hostages in Beslan and 130 hostages in
Moscow were murdered in sieges by: (a) Russian exchange students
(b) The Red Guard (c) Church planters (d) Middle Eastern Islamist
males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 2003 the United States liberated Iraq from "The Butcher of
Baghdad," but most American military personnel were killed by:
(a) Iraqi school-girls (b) Street vegetable venders (c) Women
without burkas (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages
of 17 and 40.

In 2004, more than 200 Spanish civilians were murdered on trains
by bombs in Madrid, detonated by: (a) Morning commuters (b) A
three-year-old Chinese girl (c) Flamenco dancers (d) Middle
Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 2005 more than 50 UK citizens were killed by bombs on trains
in London, detonated by: (a) Rail workers (b) Those unable to
hail taxis (c) Wheelchair-bound grandmothers (d) Middle Eastern
Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 2005, there were hundreds of casualties, men, women and
children, killed by bombs in Jerusalem, Riyadh and Amman. These
innocent civilians were murdered by: (a) Construction workers (b)
Farmers (c) Christian missionaries (d) Middle Eastern Islamist
males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 2005, the city of Paris, and other European cities experienced
an extended period of riots and destruction. The unrest was led
by: (a) "Youth" (b) Soccer fans (c) Catholic nuns (d) Middle
Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

Since the beginning of Operation Iraqi Freedom, more than 2,500
Americans have been murdered by terrorists. 35,000 Iraqi men,
women and children have also been murdered by terrorists. Most of
the combat and civilians casualties were the result of bombs
detonated in civilian population centers by: (a) Fruit vendors in
Baghdad (b) Disgruntled transit union workers (c) Iraqi
schoolteachers (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages
of 17 and 40.

In 2006, hundreds of Israeli civilians have been killed by
rockets launched by: (a) the Salvation Army (b) remnants of the
'Jackson Five' (c) the cast of 'Friends' (d) Middle Eastern
Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

In 2006, a plot to blow up 10 U.S.-bound planes from the U.K. was
attempted by (a) members of the royal family (b) Japanese
tourists (c) groupies of the band 'Cream' (d) Middle Eastern
Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

Since 2001, the FBI reports that there are major terrorist cells
still in U.S. urban centers. Several of these cells have been
uncovered and cell members arrested. In every case, the
terrorists cell members were: (a) Southern Baptists
Conventioneers (b) Lutheran Youth Groups (c) Presbyterian Elders
(d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

President George Bush said this week, "America is at war with
Islamic fascists who will use any means to destroy those of us
who love freedom, to hurt our nation." The Council on
American-Islamic Relations issued an immediate objection to the
President's reference to "Islamic fascists". Nihad Awad,
executive director of CAIR protested, "We have to isolate these
individuals because there is nothing in the Koran or the Islamic
faith that encourages people to be cruel or to be vicious or to
be criminal. Muslims world wide know that for sure." In light of
this objection, we are left to ponder why every Islamic leader in
the U.S., and the world, does not publicly condemn every terror
action being undertaken in the name of the god of Islam. Their
silence is deafening...

Between 1970 and present, there were more than 60 other notable
examples of terrorism perpetrated by Middle Eastern male
Islamists between the ages 17 and 40, but we think you get the
point. Singling out "Middle Eastern male Islamists between the
ages 17 and 40" is not "ethnic profiling," it's "terrorist
profiling" -- acting on prolific evidence.

Anyone for Terrorist Profiling?
 
#2
Trip_Wire

In 1979, the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over by: (a) A
bluegrass band (b) Dallas Cowboy fans (c) A tour group of
80-year-old women (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the
ages of 17 and 40.
Well, after reading this story, I think (b) is as likely as (d)

(edited because link was broken)
 
#3
Random_Task said:
Trip_Wire

In 1979, the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over by: (a) A
bluegrass band (b) Dallas Cowboy fans (c) A tour group of
80-year-old women (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the
ages of 17 and 40.
Well, after reading this story, I think (b) is as likely as (d)
Your link doesn't work! Pages no longer there.

Perhaps this will do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Embassy_Siege
 
#5
Forks said:
Are these trick questions?
Yes and your knicked Abdullah!! Don't give me that White Caucasian serving Soldier bullsh!t we have heard it all before.....
 
#6
So Trip Wire, can I lump all Americans into narrow minded people who will only accept their way of looking at the world as being the right one. Ever pause to think what the reasons are for the whole thing? Course not, because then you wouldn't post such simplistic patronising crap.

Of course those who seek to kill and terrorise innocents should be rooted out and destroyed. But there is more to the world that just the USA.
 
#7
Yes, but profiling does work to a great extent, though there will always be exceptions (though many of these are known by the security forces).

bring back the Blackadder foreign policy (see a man in a grass skirt/wearing a teatowel on his head, shoot him and steal his country).
 
#8
Whiskey31 said:
So Trip Wire, can I lump all Americans into narrow minded people who will only accept their way of looking at the world as being the right one. Ever pause to think what the reasons are for the whole thing? Course not, because then you wouldn't post such simplistic patronising crap.

Of course those who seek to kill and terrorise innocents should be rooted out and destroyed. But there is more to the world that just the USA.
Actually, I didn't write this article. I thought, it was rather humorous, in a grim sort of way. The article really is aimed at poking fun, at Americans and especially our currant trend to always be 'politicaly correct,' even though is's pretty obvious, who the enemy is in most cases.

Perhaps, you need to loosen up a bit, as you appear to be wound a little tight. :wink:
 
#9
Trip_Wire said:
. The article really is aimed at poking fun, at Americans and especially our currant trend to always be 'politicaly correct,' even though is's pretty obvious, who the enemy is in most cases.
You. Without you we wouldnt be in this mess would we?
 
#10
Profiling does work and I hope we all start it , much less grief from the old Mum when going to the U.S.A or Europe.

Proof needed.

Well exactly how many EL AL aircraft have been hijacked ?

Oh I do believe that company has a profiling policy.

it seems to work.

Q.E.D.
 
#11
Actually, I didn't write this article. I thought, it was rather humorous, in a grim sort of way. The article really is aimed at poking fun, at Americans and especially our currant trend to always be 'politicaly correct,' even though is's pretty obvious, who the enemy is in most cases.

Perhaps, you need to loosen up a bit, as you appear to be wound a little tight. :wink:[/quote]

Ok... while there is some humour in it for those who can get sarcasm - which I can, but for many Americans that I have met seems to be beyond them - there are a lot to whom the post is ,sadly, a reasoned arguement. By saying that it is pretty obvious who the enemy is when using the context of the post referring to Middle Easter male aged 17 to 40 you are promoting collective judgement. In the same way as radical islamists lump the west in general as the enemy you are no better than them in being able to make a reasoned rational judgement. As long as there are people like you on both sides, the conflict will continue. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Maybe on something like this I am not so much wound a little tight as tired of hearing one sided attitudes that are long on xenophobia and short on ability to sort through the headlines and look at the causes of the whole thing. :roll:
 
#12
Whiskey31 said:
Actually, I didn't write this article. I thought, it was rather humorous, in a grim sort of way. The article really is aimed at poking fun, at Americans and especially our currant trend to always be 'politicaly correct,' even though is's pretty obvious, who the enemy is in most cases.

Perhaps, you need to loosen up a bit, as you appear to be wound a little tight. :wink:
Ok... while there is some humour in it for those who can get sarcasm - which I can, but for many Americans that I have met seems to be beyond them - there are a lot to whom the post is ,sadly, a reasoned arguement. By saying that it is pretty obvious who the enemy is when using the context of the post referring to Middle Easter male aged 17 to 40 you are promoting collective judgement. In the same way as radical islamists lump the west in general as the enemy you are no better than them in being able to make a reasoned rational judgement. As long as there are people like you on both sides, the conflict will continue. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Maybe on something like this I am not so much wound a little tight as tired of hearing one sided attitudes that are long on xenophobia and short on ability to sort through the headlines and look at the causes of the whole thing. :roll:
Ok so you are right to focus on the causes of the whole thing but while we are working on righting the wrongs and winning the hearts and minds of those who wish to destroy us do you not think that taking a good hard look at "Middle Eastern males aged 17 to 40 " is a sensible idea?

A security guard has only a certain amount of time available to search/screen people should he be forced to be random in his choice of who to stop or should he concentrate his efforts?

If you were getting on the plane/train/boat/whatever who would you rather the security guys checked, the 80 year old granny or the Middle Eastern male aged 17 to 40?
 

diplomat

War Hero
Book Reviewer
#14
Trevelez said:
Profiling is already in operation at UK airports, and has been for years. It is used by HM Customs.
True, but for people entering the country!! Not leaving.
 

diplomat

War Hero
Book Reviewer
#16
Very different context though, and targeted against a different threat.
 
#17
Who did shoot Bobby Kenedy in 1968 (Q) - Question mark button has been destroyed by evil daughter - sorry

It was a white bloke who shot president Kenedy. Wasn't it a white fella who shot Reagan (Q) Not all extremists are Islamic.

It was a white bloke who threw an egg at John Presscott. Huzzar!

It isn't easy to say exactly what an 'Islamic' male should look like. Islam is a religion and not a race or form of ethnicity. Anyone who has been to parts of south eastern Europe will be aware that often the Islamic Males are indistinguishable in appearence from the Christian Males.

Unless the male in question has a T-shirt proclaiming 'Death to the enemies of Islam', 'Mohammed loves you too', 'Jihad!!!' , 'I'm the Ahyatohla of Rock and Rolla.'* etc etc. who is to say that the dark skinned male of asian appearance, which the security guard decides to pick on, is not a follower of one of the several other religions which are found in asia. Could you tell an Indian man from a Pakistani man or Iraqi on appearance alone if all were dressed in jeans and a plain white shirt (Q) Not sure I could.

It's a difficult situation but I think what has to be remembered is that regardless of his religion or the colour of his skin - an innocent man should have no objections to being searched and should understand that it is necessary due to the current danger of terrorism. I often am searched at airports - I must look dodgy, maybe it's the fact that I spend the hours waiting for delayed plains drinking whisky - it isn't a problem.

* how the f*** do you spell Ahyatohla (Q)

edited to add - wasn't it a Jewish fella who sank the Titanic (Q)
 
#18
One thing about the whole 'middle eastern males aged 17-40' thing in the original post, well, the London bombings for one where commited by British citizens, 1 was black and the others were Muslims of Pakistani descent. Hardly Middle Eastern.
 
#19
Also that Richard Reid - The 'Shoe bomber' who was arrested for having a trainer packed with explosives was a black man and a British subject. Not middle-eastern.
 
#20
Lairdx said:
Also that Richard Reid - The 'Shoe bomber' who was arrested for having a trainer packed with explosives was a black man and a British subject. Not middle-eastern.
As I said, the article is perhaps not all that accurate; however, it was sort of humorous and may be a little true. Would it work, as others have pointed out here, it is used in some places and seem's to work, to some degree.

I'm sure, that we can pick the article apart, and find individuals that the profile would not work on; however, the majority of our enemies in this GWOT, would fit that profile. Right? :wink:
 

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