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Problems as a mobilised soldier

#2
You have a manning and reserves rep somewhere at the APOD (or possibly shiba). Think the title is SO2 manning and reserves and is a captain.
 
#3
Yes there is an SO2 and an SO3 Reserves at Shaiba but I don't think this is necessarily a case to take to them in the first instance.

In effect by volunteering for an extended tour, as you say, you are committed to serve the allotted time and do the bidding of the officers above you as ordered. Once you have signed the form requesting the extension and this has been accepted there is little you can do to 'opt out' and finish early. We are, after all, in a job where running up a hill, getting shot and dying is a legitimate job description!

Presumably it is the OC who has changed and not the whole hierarchy. I would approach this, as you have done, with your pl/tp comd and sub unit Sgt Major (or equivalents), who know you better and have worked with you. They are the ones who can put your case to the OC and support your request. The suggestion of a meeting with the OC, supported by one of them, would seem to be the best way of trying to resolve your problem; in most cases commanders work on the basis of a volunteer being worth 10 pressed men and take account of such issues.

What I would not do is try to circumvent the CoC until you are certain that you are getting nowhere. This is a surefire way to wind people up and do you no favours. A meeting with the OC may not seem like the easiest way but it is the most direct and the most likely to get results.

Keep us in the loop and don't get downhearted, even if your chuff chart isn't looking any better!
 
#4
Aintbrokedontfixit said:
You have a manning and reserves rep somewhere at the APOD (or possibly shiba). Think the title is SO2 manning and reserves and is a captain.
"No-Wah". A captain is an S03, a Major is an S02.
 
#5
The post is SO2 but it was filled by a captain.
 

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#7
Von_Paulus said:
Aintbrokedontfixit said:
The post is SO2 but it was filled by a captain.
...... because that is how important the welfare of deployed STABs is to the regulars! For shame
Not the fault of the Army. If more TA Officers put themselves forward for mobilisation, this sort of problem would not arise.
 
#8
Von_Paulus said:
Aintbrokedontfixit said:
The post is SO2 but it was filled by a captain.
...... because that is how important the welfare of deployed STABs is to the regulars! For shame
Oh give over for God's sake. The post is filled by a STAB officer. If there isn't a STAB major ready & willing to do the job, then that is hardly the Regular Army's fault is it? You might ask how important the welfare of deployed STABs is to the TA officer cadre?
 
#9
Dilfor said:
Von_Paulus said:
Aintbrokedontfixit said:
The post is SO2 but it was filled by a captain.
...... because that is how important the welfare of deployed STABs is to the regulars! For shame
Oh give over for God's sake. The post is filled by a STAB officer. If there isn't a STAB major ready & willing to do the job, then that is hardly the Regular Army's fault is it? You might ask how important the welfare of deployed STABs is to the TA officer cadre?
Just who allocates troops to task? The TA? or Land?
Are you telling me there are no TA Majors in theatre?
Therefore, someone, in Land, has done an excercise in priorities, and the result is my first post!
 

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#10
I'm sure that there are loads of TA Majors in Theatre - but all are doing jobs already. If no suitable TA Officer has volunteered to be mobilised for this post, it's hardly Land Command's fault.
 
#11
Moreover, there are almost certainly many other posts being filled by individuals on acting rank. Furthermore, given that the 'allocation of troops to task' ie manning function at HQ LAND is carried out by the Individual Mobilisation Cell, and given that the post of SO2 Manning & Reserves is the IMC's key link to Theatre, one rather doubts that the IMC has done an 'exercise in priorities' that has left this post improperly filled. It would be rather self-defeating.

Keep the STAB V ARAB schimfing for when/if it is really needed - its just boring otherwise.
 
#12
OldSnowy said:
Von_Paulus said:
Aintbrokedontfixit said:
The post is SO2 but it was filled by a captain.
...... because that is how important the welfare of deployed STABs is to the regulars! For shame
Not the fault of the Army. If more TA Officers put themselves forward for mobilisation, this sort of problem would not arise.
Old Snowy, not getting into the pizzing contest of whether there are enough names coming out of the hat - do you think the reticence of many TA officers to deploy, might be based on the individual replacement as opposed to formed units (i.e. them being deployed in the roles that they have been established and trained for)?

The easy answer, assuming that those responsible want a regular SO2 post to be filled by a TA Major, would surely be to identify a suitable TA officer and compulsorily mobilise him? Which would of course offer the officer the full provision of RFA96.

What we do when our reserves run out of reserves to fill vacant LSN’s in the ORBAT, I’m not sure – answers on a postcard, eh.
 
#13
ABrighter2006 said:
OldSnowy said:
Von_Paulus said:
Aintbrokedontfixit said:
The post is SO2 but it was filled by a captain.
...... because that is how important the welfare of deployed STABs is to the regulars! For shame
Not the fault of the Army. If more TA Officers put themselves forward for mobilisation, this sort of problem would not arise.
Old Snowy, not getting into the pizzing contest of whether there are enough names coming out of the hat - do you think the reticence of many TA officers to deploy, might be based on the individual replacement as opposed to formed units (i.e. them being deployed in the roles that they have been established and trained for)? (1)

The easy answer, assuming that those responsible want a regular SO2 post to be filled by a TA Major, would surely be to identify a suitable TA officer and compulsorily mobilise him? Which would of course offer the officer the full provision of RFA96. (2)

What we do when our reserves run out of reserves to fill vacant LSN’s in the ORBAT, I’m not sure – answers on a postcard, eh.
(3)

Please excuse me butting in, however my answer to your questions:

1. If TA officers are so inflexible as to only want to deploy in a specific role for which there may not be a need, then this reflects a little poorly on them. Regular officers often have to deploy into a variety of jobs. Having known people do this particular job, they found it pretty rewarding - as least as much as a Coy Comd of a FP Coy.

2. This is a TA SO2 post, not a regular one. Agree that 'volunteering twice' is a disincentive.

3. When there are no reserves in Iraq, there will be no need for an SO2 Manning & Reserves in Iraq.
 
#14
Dilfor said:
ABrighter2006 said:
OldSnowy said:
Von_Paulus said:
Aintbrokedontfixit said:
The post is SO2 but it was filled by a captain.
...... because that is how important the welfare of deployed STABs is to the regulars! For shame
Not the fault of the Army. If more TA Officers put themselves forward for mobilisation, this sort of problem would not arise.
Old Snowy, not getting into the pizzing contest of whether there are enough names coming out of the hat - do you think the reticence of many TA officers to deploy, might be based on the individual replacement as opposed to formed units (i.e. them being deployed in the roles that they have been established and trained for)? (1)

The easy answer, assuming that those responsible want a regular SO2 post to be filled by a TA Major, would surely be to identify a suitable TA officer and compulsorily mobilise him? Which would of course offer the officer the full provision of RFA96. (2)

What we do when our reserves run out of reserves to fill vacant LSN’s in the ORBAT, I’m not sure – answers on a postcard, eh.
(3)

Please excuse me butting in, however my answer to your questions:

1. If TA officers are so inflexible as to only want to deploy in a specific role for which there may not be a need, then this reflects a little poorly on them. Regular officers often have to deploy into a variety of jobs. Having known people do this particular job, they found it pretty rewarding - as least as much as a Coy Comd of a FP Coy.

2. This is a TA SO2 post, not a regular one. Agree that 'volunteering twice' is a disincentive.

3. When there are no reserves in Iraq, there will be no need for an SO2 Manning & Reserves in Iraq.
Indeed, or when there are no more reserves at all. :evil:
 
#15
Fair comments Dilfor - agreed that flexibility is key, equally, I'm sure that you've heard some less than good feedback from some TA / Reservists being posted into roles that they just were not suited to, either through training, experience or temperament.

Sorry, didn't realise it was a TA post referred to and your point 3 is a brilliant piece of lateral thinking - LOL!
 
#16
You raise some good points about the employability or otherwise of TA officers.

There are few instances of a formed TA sub unit being called up together with it's correct quota of TA officers and SNCOs. The FP Coy, part of the rear ops BG at Shaiba is probably the only example that springs easily to mind. Even then they are not likely to be all of the same cap badge.

Generally officers and to an extent SNCOs and WOs will be asked to deploy as IRs to fill an individual post in an HQ or NSE for instance.

It also calls into question what the officers/SNCOs actually do if they are not going to command the Pl/Coy etc that they run back in Blighty. The answer lies in the fact that they are employed to recruit, train and retain so that there are enough blokes to go round. This may sound a little harsh but it is near the truth.

It is difficult for the reg army to employ TA officers and SNCOs in a comd appt due to their lack of experience; that is a fact of life.

Plenty are available to volunteer and many do so but there are not many jobs avail.
 
#17
Dilfor said:
Moreover, there are almost certainly many other posts being filled by individuals on acting rank. Furthermore, given that the 'allocation of troops to task' ie manning function at HQ LAND is carried out by the Individual Mobilisation Cell, and given that the post of SO2 Manning & Reserves is the IMC's key link to Theatre, one rather doubts that the IMC has done an 'exercise in priorities' that has left this post improperly filled. It would be rather self-defeating.

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Given the shortage of SO2 its lucky there is anyone in post at all. How many jobs are gapped or double-hatted ? Take a look at the FTRS vacancies for an idea of how many slots are empty here....
 
#18
I strongly suspect that the main reason officers (or ORs for that matter) do not volunteer to deploy has less to do with being SO2 Paperclips and more with the wife leaving them and work binning their career if they do. The difference between being gripped and volunteering might not appear significant to some; I can assure you it makes all the difference in the world to family and work. (Another Regular-TA area of misunderstanding perhaps ?)

The unspoken assumption some posters appear to hold is that possession of a commission means you should bin your marriage and career by volunteering because the CoC will not use compulsory mobilisation to fill gaps in the ORBAT. If that's not what you meant then I'll apologise in advance. Sorry.

Edited to add:

And to the original poster - think of the advice you'd give one of your men in this position. "Soldier on" springs to mind, or maybe "that's why you never volunteer". It sucks I know, but the Army is set up to serve the interests of the Army not you. Ask the boss, he can only say no. By all means keep dripping though, as is your God-given right as a member of the finest military organisation in the world.
 
#19
Beenaround said:
It also calls into question what the officers/SNCOs actually do if they are not going to command the Pl/Coy etc that they run back in Blighty. The answer lies in the fact that they are employed to recruit, train and retain so that there are enough blokes to go round. This may sound a little harsh but it is near the truth.
Except it's not how the TA is sold to potential officers, and it's not how to retain officers/SNCOs. It's an understandable, but short-termist reponse from an understrength and overstretched regular army - after all, right up until the turn of the century, the concept still involved the TA supplying formed sub-units (even if the "formed units" thing had disappeared with SDR).

What response would you get if you turned around and said to any Regular officer:

"Right, we're understrength, so we want your sub-unit. But we don't want you or your NCOs, we just want your soldiers, and we'll spread them around to plug gaps as we see fit. Don't like it? Tough."

Remind me: when a regular battalion reinforces another regular battalion with a platoon, does that platoon turn up fully manned and remain intact? Why should the reasons for wanting to do so be any different for the TA?

Beenaround said:
It is difficult for the reg army to employ TA officers and SNCOs in a comd appt due to their lack of experience; that is a fact of life.
Strangely, one of my best friends deployed to NI. As a TA 2Lt, he ended up commanding a platoon on the ground, in a battalion where there were slightly more subalterns than command appointments, on a rural tour around the time of Coalisland / Derryard.

So, difficult? Perhaps. Lack of experience? Everyone has to have a "first operational tour" - especially subalterns.
 

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