Private security guards from G4S and Serco could ‘be handed power to make arrests

Recent reporting talks of some Government move to consider empowering G4S and Serco to make warranted Police Force like arrests. When I read the articles though the idea seems to me to be more about empowering them to serve arrest warrants as issued by JPs and other such types.

Some of the conspiracy theory mob and Corbynytes seems implacable in their view that it is about the Conservatives desire to turn country bit by bit into a fascist state and that G4S/Serco will have Gestapo like powers as a part of that process.

Can anyone here with better knowledge/insights into this matter and the law in general cut through this and give the simple to understand version of the reality of this all?

Links are to be found all over the interweb, particularly on the left wing rabble-rouser sites
 
G4S! Oh deary me NO! Ffs not even as a joke.
99% of the security industry I wouldn't let guard a broken ball bearing.

Edited to remove my vile language which might frighten those of a nervous disposition like @Mothman
 
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@Fiona_TG

G4S were to be taking on extensive police station contracts, Chris Sims of West Midlands police was to have public/private nicks. With civilian detention officers, and investigators

Revealed: government plans for police privatisation

It was only G4S screwing the Olympics that led to that being put on hold.

I don't know where Chris Sims is now, but would not be surprised if he is on the board of G4S. Mark Rowley is obviously Assisstant Commissioner specialist ops and head of CT policing. You can reasonably expect him to walk out to a firm like G4S after retiring.

Now obviosuly I have an axe to grind as a former police officer.

BUT

Just look at the catastrophic failure of the probation service privatisation.

Chris Grayling's prisons overhaul is putting public in danger, watchdogs warn

Coming soon to blue light services near you......
 
Some of the conspiracy theory mob and Corbynytes seems implacable in their view that it is about the Conservatives desire to turn country bit by bit into a fascist state and that G4S/Serco will have Gestapo like powers as a part of that process.
Surely that's what Momentum want anyway, how else will they seize power by any means necessary
 
@Fiona_TG

G4S were to be taking on extensive police station contracts, Chris Sims of West Midlands police was to have public/private nicks. With civilian detention officers, and investigators

Revealed: government plans for police privatisation

It was only G4S screwing the Olympics that led to that being put on hold.

I don't know where Chris Sims is now, but would not be surprised if he is on the board of G4S. Mark Rowley is obviously Assisstant Commissioner specialist ops and head of CT policing. You can reasonably expect him to walk out to a firm like G4S after retiring.

Now obviosuly I have an axe to grind as a former police officer.

BUT

Just look at the catastrophic failure of the probation service privatisation.

Chris Grayling's prisons overhaul is putting public in danger, watchdogs warn

Coming soon to blue light services near you......
Indeed, appreciate all that you say and whatever the reality of the matter it is probably not good. I was very interested in that single point at the core of this all, that the reporting suggests that G4S will have Police like powers, i.e. looking around the streets for people committing this offence or that and lifting them there and then for it, presumably with the words "you're nicked", but as I see it they will have not have that power but the proposal as actually that they serve arrest warrants issued by JPs etc. and if someone resists maybe bring them in. If the latter then that is not arresting anyone is it?
 
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Yup give him a warrant to serve,


What could go wrong...
 
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How can he do his job with that mask thing on his face. Ridiculous.
He's coughed up drinking really, really, thick black tea. Wouldn't you reading this shite?

Bless him.
 
Can anyone here with better knowledge/insights into this matter and the law in general cut through this and give the simple to understand version of the reality of this all?
I'd to say a load of bollocks. But who knows these days.

Packing bags now.
 
How can he do his job with that mask thing on his face. Ridiculous.
About the only item on him not from Silvermans police sales section
 
About the only item on him not from Silvermans police sales section
Were I still in, I'd be inclined to have that thin blue line patch off him like the Hell's Angels defending their club colours.
 
Indeed, appreciate all that you say and whatever the reality of the matter it is probably not good. I was very interested in that single point at the core of this all, that the reporting suggests that G4S will have Police like powers, i.e. looking around the streets for people committing this offence or that and lifting them there and then for it, presumably with the words "you're nicked", but as I see it they will have not have that power but the proposal as actually that they serve arrest warrants issued by JPs etc. and if someone resists maybe bring them in. If the latter then that is not arresting anyone is it?
Ironically that is reversing history to the days of the Thief Taker General and the Bow street runners.

Their incompetence and corruption was why Peel passed the 1829 Metropolitan Police Act and gave us a professional modern police service.

But what did he know.
 
G4S! Oh deary me NO! Ffs not even as a joke.
99% of the security industry I wouldn't let guard a broken ball bearing.

Edited to remove my vile language which might frighten those of a nervous disposition.
My thoughts too. The very thought horrifies me.
 

MrDave

War Hero
I used to work for GS4 when they used to be called Group 4 Sercuritas, and all I can say is good luck with that one.
 
One of the reasons the UK security industry is now inundated with SIA card holding imbeciles who have only been within these shores a few years, cannot speak a word of English and expect to be able to get their heads down upon commencing a nightshift is - G4S fecking up the olympics contract and the SIA needing to fast-track several thousand applications in order to make up the deficit.
Job centres started dishing out SIA course just like they used to do with forklift courses.
There are agencies that actually do the paperwork for SIA applications from those of a dubious background. There is virtually no checking that the bloke who turns up on the day for the literacy test and exam is actually the bloke applying.
The UK security industry and the SIA is well overdue being outed for the sham that it is.
 

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