private incomes

#1
Hallo all,

I'm hoping the knowledge of arrse could help settle a debate between a friend and I. He says one doesn't need a private income being an officer in the Army. I say otherwise. Quite simple.

I point to buying uniforms at the end of Sandhurst. To do it all in one hit, no 1, service, mess dress, sword etc, it is going to cost upwards of £6,000, depending on who you go to.

There are mess bills etc as well. I understand it's not the 19th century anymore and there aren't champagne penalties any longer (except maybe in the Light Dragoons...) but it can all still be pretty costly. Especially in the Household Division where I intend to end up.

Silly fool has decided to join the Navy either way!
 
#2
You seem to have managed to post this about sixteen times.

In short, no, you don't need a private income to join any regiment in this army. I'm afraid I can't really be arrsed to explain why again, but there are a few threads that touch upon it here and elsewhere (there's one entitled 'Guards Officer Class' in the Infantry forum for some reason).
 
#3
Of course you need a private income,

I found the £3.50 i collected, by redeeming the 10p deposit bottle return, each week, highly usefull.

If you want to be really well off and maybe buy the odd promotion or two, you could steal lead off of the local church roof, and cash it in at your local scrappie.

there is always a way dear chap!!!
 
#4
You receive a uniform allowance which covers some of the cost and there are plenty of secondhand shops around, to which you will be guided by your colleagues.

You don't need a private income unless you want to live like a King.

Litotes
 
#7
The inference from your post, Burnaby, is that you HAVE a private income, in which case the only possible reason you have for actually putting a post up about it is to gloat.

That is not the sort of behaviour expected of a Household Division officer as it smacks of bad manners and poor breeding. Even if one is better off than others, you never boast about it. Doubt you'd get offered a place, going on this example.
 
#8
FGBurnaby said:
Hallo all,

I'm hoping the knowledge of arrse could help settle a debate between a friend and I. He says one doesn't need a private income being an officer in the Army. I say otherwise. Quite simple.

I point to buying uniforms at the end of Sandhurst. To do it all in one hit, no 1, service, mess dress, sword etc, it is going to cost upwards of £6,000, depending on who you go to.

There are mess bills etc as well. I understand it's not the 19th century anymore and there aren't champagne penalties any longer (except maybe in the Light Dragoons...) but it can all still be pretty costly. Especially in the Household Division where I intend to end up.

Silly fool has decided to join the Navy either way!
I think this is a wah - he claims to have family who are serving officers, so he would probably know this is not the case. Either that or it's Caubean.
 
#9
CarpeDiem said:
The inference from your post, Burnaby, is that you HAVE a private income, in which case the only possible reason you have for actually putting a post up about it is to gloat.

That is not the sort of behaviour expected of a Household Division officer as it smacks of bad manners and poor breeding. Even if one is better off than others, you never boast about it. .
On the other hand if you are one of the occassional metropolitan police officers who you find with a private income ( i have known of three) its best to tell everybody so you don't get an early morning call from professional standards.

Trotsky (not staying in the Knightsbridge flat after quick change over this week)
 
#10
Right,

Firstly, terribly sorry about the multiple posts, although not my fault. Was as surprised as everyone else to see them.

Secondly, very much not "left-wing journo scum". PO hoping to be at Sandhurst this year.

Thirdly, no intention of gloating or showing off or generally being an idiot. Genuine curiosity. That's all.

Lastly. Plenty of family in the Army over the years (some who gave their lives for this country so no need to be rude), but none in the last twenty years. They have advised me that in their time that a private income was not necessary, but it could be tough without one. That's all.

Sorry if I offended anyone.
 
#11
Trotsky said:
CarpeDiem said:
The inference from your post, Burnaby, is that you HAVE a private income, in which case the only possible reason you have for actually putting a post up about it is to gloat.

That is not the sort of behaviour expected of a Household Division officer as it smacks of bad manners and poor breeding. Even if one is better off than others, you never boast about it. .
On the other hand if you are one of the occassional metropolitan police officers who you find with a private income ( i have known of three) its best to tell everybody so you don't get an early morning call from professional standards.

Trotsky (not staying in the Knightsbridge flat after quick change over this week)
Show off, If I had a private income I'd be on a beach with a G & T not coppering in London.

Well, maybe I would, but I'd want a damn good job!
 
#13
FGBurnaby said:
Right,

Firstly, terribly sorry about the multiple posts, although not my fault. Was as surprised as everyone else to see them.

Secondly, very much not "left-wing journo scum". PO hoping to be at Sandhurst this year.

Thirdly, no intention of gloating or showing off or generally being an idiot. Genuine curiosity. That's all.

Lastly. Plenty of family in the Army over the years (some who gave their lives for this country so no need to be rude), but none in the last twenty years. They have advised me that in their time that a private income was not necessary, but it could be tough without one. That's all.

Sorry if I offended anyone.
(Ahem) I think you'll find that people were being rude about you, not your deceased relatives. It may be something of a surprise to you to discover that you aren't alone, either in being descended from soldiers, or in being related to some of our Glorious Dead. In fact, you probably share the latter distinction with some tens of millions of people.

The phrase I'm probably scratching for here is 'wind your neck in'. Get used to it.
 

cpunk

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#14
The idea of a 'private income' seems to obsess people who want to go to Sandhurst. To be honest, I've come across relatively few army officers who have a substantial private income over the 23 years since I was commissioned. On the other hand, I've known quite a few whose parents have been prepared to bung them a few quid when they were short of the ackers for one reason or another; who who could reasonably expect to inherit a substantial amount when the oldsters peg it. In my humble experience, people with large private incomes rarely seem to bother their arrses with any real work at all, and more fool them when it all goes t1ts up.
 
#15
Exrivofrigido said:
FGBurnaby said:
Right,

Firstly, terribly sorry about the multiple posts, although not my fault. Was as surprised as everyone else to see them.

Secondly, very much not "left-wing journo scum". PO hoping to be at Sandhurst this year.

Thirdly, no intention of gloating or showing off or generally being an idiot. Genuine curiosity. That's all.

Lastly. Plenty of family in the Army over the years (some who gave their lives for this country so no need to be rude), but none in the last twenty years. They have advised me that in their time that a private income was not necessary, but it could be tough without one. That's all.

Sorry if I offended anyone.
(Ahem) I think you'll find that people were being rude about you, not your deceased relatives. It may be something of a surprise to you to discover that you aren't alone, either in being descended from soldiers, or in being related to some of our Glorious Dead. In fact, you probably share the latter distinction with some tens of millions of people.

The phrase I'm probably scratching for here is 'wind your neck in'. Get used to it.
Fair point. Didn't mean to come off cocky. I can assure you all that to the best of my knowledge I'm not normally an arse. Although my mishandling of this post would suggest otherwise.
It was a genuine question and I'm sorry if I've rubbed anyone up the wrong way. That's all I can say really. Thanks all the same! :oops:
 
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Brandt

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#16
Where the fcuk is Duff Dyke? I go away for a few minutes and he seems to have gone quiet. Surely he should be on here insisting that you need at least £5000 a month extra, solid silver insoles and a diamond encrusted moustache, otherwise the b@stards will tell you you're crap and kick you out, and you'll have to go and work in Macdonalds, and collect throwing knives.... I 'ate you B@stards.
 
#17
Boring post - if your relatives told you that you didn't need a private income when they were in 20 years ago, why would you need one now? And you argued against their advice!

You get given everything you need, or an allowance to assist you with 95% of it if not and you do not need a private income. Otherwise how would "poor" graduates be able to be officers and survive? And even poorer non-graduates who get paid less? And by your argument therefore, nearly every Officer in the British Army would have a private income - there wouldn't be any landed gentry cutting about doing nothing in the city if this was the case!

Poor misguided fool...
 
#18
Oh goody, it´s Friday afternoon and there´s another thread about private incomes - where are all the Barrack Room Bolsheviks - Duff Dyke and hs mates? (if he has any, which I doubt)

I assume from your user name you aspire to join The Blues and Royals. That´s mighty presumptuous taking Fred´s name in vain. As for the private income thing, you could follow Infriv..... whatever his name is and just be one of the lads in today´s happy clappy HDiv (I´m sure he is in fact the Major General HDiv trying to get us "on message" through the pages of Arrse) . Or you could just face up to reality and realize that of course you can survive without a private income as long as you don´t mind living like a monk. And another thing, there is nothing that HDiv soldiers hate more than a poor (money poor) officer.

FGBurnaby said:
They have advised me that in their time that a private income was not necessary, but it could be tough without one.
This last sentence applies to life in general.
 
#19
If you seriously intend to try for Household Div and have no money then join as a soldier. Your salary may not cover your mess bill.

If, however, you wish to serve in a perfectly good Regiment where a private income is not remotely neccesary, there are plenty to chose from.

But you have to get into, and through, Sandhurst first and then prove yourself worthy to be a member of the Regt of your choice. Otherwise its R Sigs for you.
 
#20
Edited by Mod: this person is promoting an online gambling website. If he does it again, he's out of here.
 

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