Prisoners given their own keys to their cells!

#1
Heard on the radio this morning that in the North East Prisoners are being given keys to their own cells.Its to "help them" apparantly!!
The words Lunatics,Asylum and taking over spring to mind.
Can't find a link!
 

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#2
Heard that also and will try to put up a link when I find one.

Britain is rapidly becoming a society where the only people with rights are those that abuse those rights. My only hope is that this PC p ish is coming so fast and furious that the public will become fed up and politicians will fear losing votes and start to treat prisoners as, well, prisoners.
 
#3
commander-adama said:
Can't find a link!
There's only one place to look for a story like this :wink:

Thousands of prisoners are being given keys to their cells in the latest farce to hit the criminal justice system.

They can roam in and out virtually at will under a scheme designed to give them more "respect and decency".

The astonishing measure prompted a furious response from MPs last night, who warned that the human-rights culture was out of control.

It will provoke a furious public backlash at a time when prisons are overflowing and dangerous offenders are being tagged and freed into the community.

Official figures revealed that 5,747 of the 9,577 offenders in Yorkshire prisons have keys for 'privacy locks' to protect themselves and their belongings.

Although many of them are at open prisons and youth offenders' institutes, others are in standard closed prisons for those who have committed serious crimes such as muggings, burglary and theft.

It also emerged that some youth prisons now call offenders 'trainees' or 'residents'.

Governors in other parts of the country are also understood to have introduced the key scheme.

Shipley Tory MP Philip Davies accused the Government of "turning prisons into hotels".

He said: "People will be horrified to know so many prisons give inmates their own keys. It will reinforce their views that the regime is far too lax and cushy.

"These people are banged up for a reason. But the Government seems more concerned about the human rights of criminals than those of their victims, who are footing the bill to keep them in increasingly pleasant surroundings."

Blair Gibbs, director of the Tax-Payers' Alliance, said: "It is hard to believe we live in a serious country any more when you hear lunacy like this. Our politicians are clearly not capable of running anything that resembles an effective criminal justice system."

Home Office Minister Gerry Sutcliffe said: "It's mainly used for people who are soon going to be released or in open prisons.

"It's all part of providing incentives to encourage them to take more responsibility for themselves, to give them a little bit more respect and decency."

He stressed that the prisoners' locks could be over-ridden by staff keys and insisted: "There are no security issues about this. The keys are for their own cells and nowhere else."

The revelation will still reinforce concern that prisoners' 'rights' are increasingly being pandered to.

In the financial year that ended last March, £8.8million in compensation was paid out to prisoners - almost 15 times as much as just two years earlier.

Cases included: • £2.8million for medical treatment for a prisoner who failed in a suicide bid.

• £750,000 for nearly 200 drug addicts who suffered withdrawal symptoms after they were forced to go 'cold turkey'.

• £80,000 for three illegal immigrant convicts who were not deported quickly enough, opening the door for hundreds of similar claims.

• £200 each for prisoners whose DVD players were taken away because they watched pornography.

There was also the case of Gerry Cooper, who sued the Home Office after falling out of a bunk bed in his cell.

Inquiries by Mr Davies showed that of Yorkshire's 15 prisons, six give keys to all their inmates and three based the decisions on category of offence and personal circumstances.

The six who deny them to all offenders, include top-security Wakefield, where Soham murderer Ian Huntley is serving life.

Governors at Hull Prison, where 50 per cent of inmates have keys, suggested the practice was there to help prisoners protect themselves from others.

The prison said: "The facility is overridden by staff keys and is seen as of additional benefit to vulnerable prisoners by providing extra protection."

The inquiries also unearthed the fact that young prisoners at Askham Grange prison are called 'residents', while at Wetherby they are 'trainees'.

Earlier this year, Derbyshire chief constable David Coleman was accused of 'madness' after refusing to release pictures of two escaped murderers amid fears it might breach their human rights. He claimed they posed 'no risk' to local people.
Daily Mail
 
#5
Ex_ex said:
commander-adama said:
Can't find a link!
There's only one place to look for a story like this :wink:
Daily Mail
Shold have looked at the Daily Mail ex-ex,might have known that story would have been in there!
And who is this Gerry Sutcliffe,the Govt minister!do you reckon he'd be so keen on this idea if his any of his family had been murdered or raped,or his house had been trashed by some scumbag!!
I don't think so,the useless w****r!
 
#6
gawd, what on earth is this country of ours coming to ? ... it's just soooooo depressing ... i put it all down to the "do gooders" of the 70's - who amongst other things said it was wrong to "punish" children by giving them a friendly slap on the back of the head ... from that moment on discipline and respect went out the door and the jails started filling up and our wage packets went down paying for it all
 
#10
Do they get a mat each?

To put the key under.
 
#11
Or a flowerpot perhaps.

Or they're just kept on a piece of string and tied to the door.
 
#14
This only applies to certain category prisoners with a certain level of privelege.

The Cell Doors have two locks, during the day only one lock is used, the lock which the prisoners (and the staff) have the key for, at night the second lock is used which only the staff have keys for, its really not as free and easy as you think!!

In the words of Max Boyce "I know 'cos....."etc etc over 7 years ago so this isnt a new thing!!
 
#15
geo7863 said:
This only applies to certain category prisoners with a certain level of privelege.

The Cell Doors have two locks, during the day only one lock is used, the lock which the prisoners (and the staff) have the key for, at night the second lock is used which only the staff have keys for, its really not as free and easy as you think!!

In the words of Max Boyce "I know 'cos....."etc etc
Thanks geo, that's my vision of them nipping round and climbing in the window as they'd forgotten their key SHATTERED.
 
#16
And here I am having to sign keys out for the office I work in Barking I tell you Barking
 
#17
Its probably open nicks, where the convicts are in for 'minor crimes', though I havnt looked into the story yet.

Slightly different, but when i did a resettlement course in kent a few years ago, there were lads doing the same courses at the centre who were from a local jail. A mini bus would drop them off and pick them up in the afternoon. Obviously trusted not to do a runner, but it was in their own interest not to.

I did think at the time though that why are these guys getting resettlemnt, paid for by the tax payer, when you had blokes who had done 22 years in the army and were doing the same course?

Didnt have any probs with them on the course, but the point made above did get me thinking.
 
#18
I know they're being given keys but are they allowed to pick their locks?
 
#19
There are some things badly wrong with HMP in general. In context this could be just another Daily Mail non story but do find it surprising that nearly 50% of prisoners have them

Official line is that they give a sense respect and decency to prisoners about to be released because they are "Privacy Locks" designed to stop prisoners nicking stuff from each other (believe it or not, the places are full of thieves) but also for "personal protection".

They are not the main cell door security locks, just secondary locking devices for individual cells that can be opened by staff.
 
#20
geo7863 said:
This only applies to certain category prisoners with a certain level of privelege.

The Cell Doors have two locks, during the day only one lock is used, the lock which the prisoners (and the staff) have the key for, at night the second lock is used which only the staff have keys for, its really not as free and easy as you think!!

In the words of Max Boyce "I know 'cos....."etc etc over 7 years ago so this isnt a new thing!!
suspected that would be the case

would you want to leave you room and therefore your (limited) kit unlocked and accessible to all ?

if we don't expect Students or Squaddies to do so in a community which is in theory composed of honest 'residents'... why should be expect those in prison to do where all the 'residents' are convicted crims ...
 

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