Principal of Colombia Uni tells Ahmadinejad where to get off

#1
It's still on-going, no linky yet, but running on Fox News live.

The Principal used the most un-diplomatic language towards the President of Iran, whose name is too difficult to type. :D :D :D

Watch this space [and Fox] for the repercussions!!
 
#2
Alphabet has, possibly rightly, criticised the remarks as being contrary to the "Arab" principles of hospitality.

Perhaps he shouldn't have gone to the US ... what did he expect?
"Hey, wonderful to have you here, have a nice day".
 
#6
More from CNN

CNN so far ...

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Columbia University President Lee Bollinger excoriated Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Monday, going through a long list of documented actions and remarks by the firebrand Iranian leader and his government.

"Mr. President, you exhibit all the signs of a petty and cruel dictator," Bollinger said to applause from many of the 600 people in the room for a speech from the Iranian leader.

He cited the Iranian government's "brutal crackdown" on dissidents, public executions, executions of minors and other actions.

And Bollinger assailed Ahmadinejad's "denying" of the Holocaust as "ridiculous" and "dangerous propaganda." He called the Iranian leader either brazenly provocative "or astonishingly uneducated."

"The truth is that the Holocaust is the most documented event in human history," he said.
He said he doubted Ahmadinejad would show the intellectual courage to answer the questions before him.

Ahmadinejad responded quickly.

"We don't think it's necessary before the speech is given to come in with some series of claims."

He said Bollinger's comments included "insults" and false claims, and flew in the face of an environment that's supposed to let people speak their minds.



Earlier Monday, in a question-and-answer video conference with the National Press Club, Ahmadinejad said the Middle East can govern itself without interference from the United States and other Western nations.

Speaking from New York to the luncheon in Washington, Ahmadinejad said Iran wanted to see "an independent powerful Iraq ... which will benefit the entire region."
"We are two nations interconnected," he said of Iran and Iraq. "We are brothers and friends."
But he said the region could didn't need U.S. help.
"We oppose the way the U.S. government tries to manage the world. ... We propose more humane methods of establishing peace," he said during a question and answer session with the press club.
He also said all the world's religions have the same common ground, "justice and friendship."
The views of all religions must be respected and "we must all move hand in hand," Ahmadinejad said.
Earlier in an interview with The Associated Press, Ahmadinejad said he didn't think the United States was preparing for war against Iran.
"I believe that some of the talk in this regard arises first of all from anger. Secondly, it serves the electoral purposes domestically in this country. Third, it serves as a cover for policy failures over Iraq," he told the AP.
The Iranian president said his country would not attack Israel.
"Iran will not attack any country," the AP quoted Ahmadinejad as saying.
 
#7
Random_Task said:
Savvy politico isn't he,answering questions with questions!
He's politician and therefore waffles like one..... :D

Unlike the principal who is a idiot! Sounds like the yanks are beginning to believe their own propaganda!

Quite embarassing for the yanks really.
 
#8
Random_Task said:
Savvy politico isn't he,answering questions with questions!
Heck, I learned just from watching "Yes, Prime Minister" how to deal with questions. Answering with a question was only one of the several ways PM Hacker suggested as techniques to Bernard.

It's amusing watching a US Presidential 'Debate.' I could have Hacker's list in front of me, and check off every one of them as the proceedings progressed.

NTM
 
#9
Hands up all those who expected Dinner-jacket to say anything meaningful?

Oh, OK :roll:

Sadly I missed the first part of the Principal's comments ... no doubt the webby-thing and that papery-stuff will have it all tomorrow :D
 
#10
IT_Guy said:
Random_Task said:
Savvy politico isn't he,answering questions with questions!
He's politician and therefore waffles like one..... :D

Unlike the principal who is a idiot! Sounds like the yanks are beginning to believe their own propaganda!

Quite embarassing for the yanks really.

Sounds like apparently the guys anger got the best of him. He's an educator, not a politician so may actually speak his mind I guess.

I agree that I don't think he grasped the depth of the impact of his questions on the world stage, but then again, it's New York and he may very well have understood and simply not given a crap.

If it were me, I would have played it soft. Nothing like some choice Iranian editing for full propaganda benefit.
 
#11
ghost_us said:
Sounds like apparently the guys anger got the best of him. He's an educator, not a politician so may actually speak his mind I guess.

I agree that I don't think he grasped the depth of the impact of his questions on the world stage, but then again, it's New York and he may very well have understood and simply not given a crap.

If it were me, I would have played it soft. Nothing like some choice Iranian editing for full propaganda benefit.
Headline like "The evil has landed" in the local rags doesn't help either - no wonder they call the yanks 'The great satan'

Still not as good as the Sun's attempt at diplomacy during the Falklands.

Gotcha! 8O
 
#12
ghost_us said:
IT_Guy said:
Random_Task said:
Savvy politico isn't he,answering questions with questions!
He's politician and therefore waffles like one..... :D
Unlike the principal who is a idiot! Sounds like the yanks are beginning to believe their own propaganda!
Quite embarassing for the yanks really.
Sounds like apparently the guys anger got the best of him. He's an educator, not a politician so may actually speak his mind I guess.
I agree that I don't think he grasped the depth of the impact of his questions on the world stage, but then again, it's New York and he may very well have understood and simply not given a crap.
If it were me, I would have played it soft. Nothing like some choice Iranian editing for full propaganda benefit.
It may not have done a lot for US/Iranian relations, but it's nice to hear someone actually saying what they believe [I assume] :D

A bit of undiplomatic language may not take relationships to a higher level, but Dinner-Jacket cannot be a complete idiot not to notice the points made.

I do however wonder why the Colombia venue was chosen if the Principal was so venemously anti ... or did the State Dept play it that way? 8)
 
#13
blue_sophist said:
Alphabet has, possibly rightly, criticised the remarks as being contrary to the "Arab" principles of hospitality.

Perhaps he shouldn't have gone to the US ... what did he expect?
"Hey, wonderful to have you here, have a nice day".
Just as well he's not an arab, then. :D
 
#14
crabtastic said:
blue_sophist said:
Alphabet has, possibly rightly, criticised the remarks as being contrary to the "Arab" principles of hospitality.

Perhaps he shouldn't have gone to the US ... what did he expect?
"Hey, wonderful to have you here, have a nice day".
Just as well he's not an arab, then. :D
Well, you know what I meant ... :D
"Islamic" hospitality principles?
It was still forking rude, though!!
 
#15
blue_sophist said:
crabtastic said:
blue_sophist said:
Alphabet has, possibly rightly, criticised the remarks as being contrary to the "Arab" principles of hospitality.

Perhaps he shouldn't have gone to the US ... what did he expect?
"Hey, wonderful to have you here, have a nice day".
Just as well he's not an arab, then. :D
Well, you know what I meant ... :D
"Islamic" hospitality principles?
It was still forking rude, though!!
At the very least it gave him an idea of what the issues were surrounding his standing with the US people.

We don't jail students for speaking their mind (we just taser them). Still less permanent than death I suppose.

It was rude, but then again, I live about 45 minutes from New York and people around here hate New Yorkers and think they're the rudest people on the planet.

For New Yorkers, it was actually restrained if you ask me.
 
#16
Don't worry B_S, Persian tradition places just as much emphasis on hospitality as arab culture does. Your point still holds. ;)

To be honest, I don't have a problem with what the President of Columbia University said, but I do think it was rather impolitic of him to say it in the manner in which he did it. Normally this stuff is reserved for Q&A.

I have no doubt that it played very well to the NYC crowd and the people that there criticising Columbia for inviting him, but if we want to change anything about Iran, the important constituency isn't in Harlem, it's in Tehran and the story there will just be about how rude President Bollinger was to Ahmadinejad and how this is typical of the US approach to Iran. But then, it's Bollinger's job to make sure Columbia gets good press in the US and not to make US foreign policy. However, if Bollinger had his head on straight, he would have chosen his words a lot more carefully and discreetly and allowed Ahmadinejad to paint himself into a corner.

Still, it's nice to know that we no longer have to afford cordial hospitalities to invited guests to our universities. We have (M)Ann Coulter at my gaff next month. :twisted:
 
#17
I think as a lead in for the utter BS that the Bam-Pot behind the micro phone was about to spout, Bollinger was completely vindicated.
 
#18
crabtastic said:
Don't worry B_S, Persian tradition places just as much emphasis on hospitality as arab culture does. Your point still holds. ;)

To be honest, I don't have a problem with what the President of Columbia University said, but I do think it was rather impolitic of him to say it in the manner in which he did it. Normally this stuff is reserved for Q&A.

I have no doubt that it played very well to the NYC crowd and the people that there criticising Columbia for inviting him, but if we want to change anything about Iran, the important constituency isn't in Harlem, it's in Tehran and the story there will just be about how rude President Bollinger was to Ahmadinejad and how this is typical of the US approach to Iran. But then, it's Bollinger's job to make sure Columbia gets good press in the US and not to make US foreign policy. However, if Bollinger had his head on straight, he would have chosen his words a lot more carefully and discreetly and allowed Ahmadinejad to paint himself into a corner.

Still, it's nice to know that we no longer have to afford cordial hospitalities to invited guests to our universities. We have (M)Ann Coulter at my gaff next month. :twisted:
I'm honestly a bit surprised by this (alot surprised actually). When you introduce someone, be polite.

Anyway, have fun with Ann :wink: :twisted:
 
#19
Not sure why anyone should be polite to alphabet. He personally approves sponsorship for terrorists and all that entails. He's a bit of a mutton head as well, I mean his comment about not having homosexuals in Iran :D who's he kidding?

I notice he got quite uncomfortable, not happy that the rest of the world is not led by the nose like the free people of Iran. :roll:

He's a fcukwit but a dangerous fcukwit.
 
#20
Ord_Sgt said:
Not sure why anyone should be polite to alphabet. He personally approves sponsorship for terrorists and all that entails. He's a bit of a mutton head as well, I mean his comment about not having homosexuals in Iran :D who's he kidding?

I notice he got quite uncomfortable, not happy that the rest of the world is not led by the nose like the free people of Iran. :roll:

He's a fcukwit but a dangerous fcukwit.
A resident of the same bin as Mugabe and Glorious Kim ... and a few others, who are also dangerous, unpredictable and [perhaps] faintly mad. The worrying thing is they way they all happily, and publicly, deny facts. I know all politicians do that, but not in such a blatant and irrational way. I wonder which one will publicly declare the Earth is flat, if you see what I mean :lol:
 

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