Prince Harry to start sandhurst !

#1
Very funny introduction, are you willing to pay Arrses's legal bills?

No?

Wind your neck in then.

PTP
 
#2
Can Harry Windsor's breakfast cereal have ever been so tasty, his orange juice so fresh and sharp, the bacon and eggs so intense in flavour as they are today? He will have awoken especially early and selected one of over two thousand sports jackets kept in a walk in wardrobe with its own post code. The slightly retro pin-stripe shirt and Old Etonian tie will have selected themselves and the white trousers and polished brogues likewise.

Pausing only to toss a small travelling coronet into a hold-all, water those interesting plants in the airing cupboard and stick two fingers up at the samll crowd of paparazzi in the shrubbery, he will have skipped downstairs. His head will feel strangely light, his belly strangely tight - almost as if he was in China White's at three a.m. not about to jump into a Bentley in broad daylight.

And for why? Today Harry will be joining the RMAS. He is about to "get on and do something with his life for god's sake", as most commentators are wont to say about any member of the Royal Family. He will no doubt have in the back of his mind the dreadful failure of his uncle in the RM. He will no doubt have imagery of his other uncle and father racking up badge courses and doing action man type stuff, helicopters, minesweepers, fast jets, wings, green lids.

It is a heavy load to have to carry in the gates. It is a pretty stressful time for anybody especially a nineteen year old. It will be so much more the worse for H, who not only carries all his own fears and hopes but those of his supporters and his detractors. Good luck to him, even if he does decide to go HCR!! They have their uses not least of which is providing spontaneous piss-ups to assorted groups of officers loose in Windsor after weddings..

Just one thing Harry...don't cross Andrew Ritchie one jot. He is a hard man but a top boss if you play it straight. Oh and for god's sake, don't tip the Colour Sergeants..
 
#3
How I wish to god he'd failed his A levels and not gone to the Rupert factory, he'd have looked so good as a Crow at ATR Bassingbourn!
 

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#4
Cuddles said:
It is a heavy load to have to carry in the gates. It is a pretty stressful time for anybody especially a nineteen year old. It will be so much more the worse for H, who not only carries all his own fears and hopes but those of his supporters and his detractors. Good luck to him.
Well said.
 
#5
I think he's a vile little chav, taking up a perfectly good RMAS slot for a Real Person.

Just an opinion. I've a lot of time for most of the Royals.

V!
 
#6
Vegetius said:
I think he's a vile little chav, taking up a perfectly good RMAS slot for a Real Person.

Just an opinion. I've a lot of time for most of the Royals.

V!
As yet he's not really had a chance to prove himself. He is still a teenager (& I think they're ALL vile!) so wait till he's out & doing the job before judging him. I hope he proves that he can get his act together, but if not, I'm sure that there are plenty of people around to show him the error of his ways.
 

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#7
Vegetius said:
I think he's a vile little chav, taking up a perfectly good RMAS slot for a Real Person.

Just an opinion. I've a lot of time for most of the Royals.

V!
Well he is a member of the Royal Family, which kinda makes his 'behaviour' and improvement in said, of national interest, so the army is surely the best place for him. Let's not forget the lad lost his Mom, and had the whole world watch, enough to make anyone a little wobbly. In regard to the paparazzi, the sooner the Metropolitan police hand over royal security to the army the better in my opinion! (at least the close protection part) That night harry launched at the photographer was a travesty. Someone should have been there to have a 'quiet' word in the shadows.
 
#8
In regard to the paparazzi, the sooner the Metropolitan police hand over royal security to the army the better in my opinion!
Hmm. I'm not going to bite that badly, but do you really think that service personnel are the best people to be escorting Royals in a mainly civilian context? I don't. In fact the RMP types I've ever chatted to about it tend to agree. Protection work is event management with small arms, and it's not what the army is about.

On top of that (trust me on this) it's a job the army really don't want. Most of the police don't want it either: I'd rather that the resources poured into SO14 were used to stop people screwing my car.

As for Harry, I'm sorry but you can't help but get the impression that he sees the army as a way of continuing his love affair with polo, Fulham pubs and his chinless mates. Not really fair PR for the 99.9% of the army that this doesn't apply to. I think his brother will make a much better fist of it, even if he doesn't enjoy it as much.

V!
 

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#9
Vegetius said:
Hmm. I'm not going to bite that badly, but do you really think that service personnel are the best people to be escorting Royals in a mainly civilian context? I don't. In fact the RMP types I've ever chatted to about it tend to agree. Protection work is event management with small arms, and it's not what the army is about.
I am sure you know better than me mate, so I will listen. I am always prepared to listen to well placed information. I'm sure that the majority of the army is not interested in CP work. However, some people do go that route post service. Couldn't they be maybe moved to a Royal Protection Group, instead of moving to civvie street. As to civilian context, I was once allowed far to close to a Royal in my opinion. I would not have been offended or suprised had an arm been raised to bar my way, or a firmer hand had I made a fuss. I think sometimes 'civilians' would benefit from a short sharp shock, let them know their place in the greater scheme of things.
 
#10
Vegetius said:
In regard to the paparazzi, the sooner the Metropolitan police hand over royal security to the army the better in my opinion!
Hmm. I'm not going to bite that badly, but do you really think that service personnel are the best people to be escorting Royals in a mainly civilian context? I don't. In fact the RMP types I've ever chatted to about it tend to agree. Protection work is event management with small arms, and it's not what the army is about.

On top of that (trust me on this) it's a job the army really don't want. Most of the police don't want it either: I'd rather that the resources poured into SO14 were used to stop people screwing my car.

As for Harry, I'm sorry but you can't help but get the impression that he sees the army as a way of continuing his love affair with polo, Fulham pubs and his chinless mates. Not really fair PR for the 99.9% of the army that this doesn't apply to. I think his brother will make a much better fist of it, even if he doesn't enjoy it as much.

V!
Good point about close protection not being the army's thing. As a field experiment, get some papparazzi to start snapping away a random squaddy out with his mates on a Saturday night in Aldershot. I imagine the results will be quite predictable. :D
 

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#11
Vegetius said:
As for Harry, I'm sorry but you can't help but get the impression that he sees the army as a way of continuing his love affair with polo, Fulham pubs and his chinless mates.

V!
crabtastic said:
As a field experiment, get some papparazzi to start snapping away a random squaddy out with his mates on a Saturday night in Aldershot. I imagine the results will be quite predictable. :D

Maybe Harry should go out drinking with some squaddies in Aldershot instead of his chinless mates in Fulham....good solution guys :twisted:
 
#12
The lad has a chance to make it.
There's no way I want to see El Presidento Blur or any other politician being head of state so the up and cumming generation of Royals have a lot on their plate.
The boy has had sum bad influences work on him up to now, but having know former Sandhurst instructors in my time, he will be in good hands and will go through the mill same as other potential officers.
Hope he's got what it takes.
best of British Arry.
john
 
#13
"Just remember your saluting, OCdt Wales. Longest way up, shortest way down. No, I didn't mean raising your arm diagonally up in the air as high as you can! You're worse than your great-uncle, Sir!"
 
#14
Nehustan said:
Vegetius said:
Hmm. I'm not going to bite that badly, but do you really think that service personnel are the best people to be escorting Royals in a mainly civilian context? I don't. In fact the RMP types I've ever chatted to about it tend to agree. Protection work is event management with small arms, and it's not what the army is about.
I am sure you know better than me mate, so I will listen. I am always prepared to listen to well placed information. I'm sure that the majority of the army is not interested in CP work. However, some people do go that route post service. Couldn't they be maybe moved to a Royal Protection Group, instead of moving to civvie street. As to civilian context, I was once allowed far to close to a Royal in my opinion. I would not have been offended or suprised had an arm been raised to bar my way, or a firmer hand had I made a fuss. I think sometimes 'civilians' would benefit from a short sharp shock, let them know their place in the greater scheme of things.
I suspect that in about 18 months time, the UK market will be flooded with ex-CP types. Considering the number of "Private Security Contractors" working in the sand at the moment, they will all require some for of gainful employment when the tax-free cash dries up.

How about sub-contracting some of the work currently done by SO14 to private contractors such as Armorgroup [sic] or Kroll?

Granted, this causes issues with small-arms, but when was the last time an SO14 officer had cause to draw his weapon???
 
#15
Questions:

Sandhurst is the only military academy in the UK?

A news article mentioned that it's 44 weeks long. I take that to mean the academic focus is strictly military?

Did Prince Harry already attend a college, or is that done after going to
Sandhurst?

Overall, how does the academic and professional education progress for officers in the military?
 
#16
Sandhurst is where we train Army Officers.

What gang is Harry going for?

AND WHAT WRONG WITH FULHAM?!?!?
 
#17
I suspect that in about 18 months time, the UK market will be flooded with ex-CP types. Considering the number of "Private Security Contractors" working in the sand at the moment, they will all require some for of gainful employment when the tax-free cash dries up.
Quality control. Some of those guys are extremely switched-on, but many are walts. Besides, looking after Harry in SW6 of a Friday night is a bit different, and requires different skills, than bombing around in a landcruiser at 120 mph wearing a chest-rig and carrying a rifle.

How about sub-contracting some of the work currently done by SO14 to private contractors such as Armorgroup [sic] or Kroll?
I'm always up for new ideas as to how to maximise resources, and on the face of it there might be some merit in developing this idea. Where it falls down is on the practicalities of authority. Sworn police officers come complete with a boatload of very convenient powers for prot. duties (like arrest, the right to drive very fast legally, move on obstructions and use reasonable force with firearms).

We aren't at the stage of "extending the policing family" to give ex-SF guys these powers to protect VIPs such as The Family. If a cop gives someone a shove there is a proven mechanism for dealing with accountability and so on; there isn't for private contractors yet. Who knows? Ten years time this idea might be going places.

Granted, this causes issues with small-arms, but when was the last time an SO14 officer had cause to draw his weapon???
I think it might have been the Princess Anne incident in the 70's. You just can't mitigate for the "what if" factor, though, can you? The idea, in the current security climate, for VIPs such as senior politicos and Royals not to be protected by armed personnel is a non-starter.

Saw Harry shake hands with the ASM this PM on the telly. Ho ho ho.

V!
 
#18
AND WHAT WRONG WITH FULHAM?!?!?
I think it was getting rid of Tigana, personally. His ability to put together a decent team without beating the krap out of M.A.F's chequebook was seriously underrated.

V!
 
#19
Tracy-Paul said:
Questions:

Sandhurst is the only military academy in the UK?

There is BRNC Dartmouth for the Royal Navy and Cranwell I belive for the Air force (who will be borrowing/trading lecturers with my degree course soon god help me).

A news article mentioned that it's 44 weeks long. I take that to mean the academic focus is strictly military?

I discussed this with one of your Lt Colonels from Westpoint, he explained that attendance at westpoint gives you a degree and a comission in the US Army but is a mixture of subjects with more emphesis on the Academic side. (His reasoning for why we may consistantly win the Sandhurst Cup).

Sandhurst is purely military and there to train the future officers of the British army and some foreign ones. However it isn't purely military skills, there are also large amounts of academic training included but not to the level of a degree. Instead there are various qualifications for Sandhurst graduates which can be found on the RMAS website.


Did Prince Harry already attend a college, or is that done after going to
Sandhurst?

Prince harry didn't attend a 'college' (University) he did however complete more focused subjects at an educational level that we term 'A-levels'. This is opposed to the more broad spectrum of subjects an American teenager would do from age 16-18.

Overall, how does the academic and professional education progress for officers in the military?

There are various sources for this on the British army website, under the serving soldier section. My understanding is that if the army decides you could benefit them from a qualification they'll 'let' you do it. If they don't you'll be too busy on operations.
 

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#20
I was actually suggesting members of SF be directed straight into CP with RPG (Military or Police) rather than hitting civvy street, and I'd suggest that they should certainly be allowed a far more robust (i.e. t**ting paparrazi if they get in the way) brief when protecting the Royals than currently is the case. Maybe back it up with some legislation...you know Royalty Protection Act 2005 reads 'get in our way while we're protecting the royals and we'll break your f**king nose...do it again it'll be you arm' I'm not a lawyer so I won't attempt to moot the actually wording.
 

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