PRI fund collections legal or theft..

#1
Taken from your pocket and not from pay, put into a big pot for an array of things that are used by both mil personel, civil servants, children, visitors etc. No say as to what the money is spent on, no receipts given either....Is this a legal collection OR a forced VOLUNTRY collection???
 
#2
civi-in-green said:
Taken from your pocket and not from pay, put into a big pot for an array of things that are used by both mil personel, civil servants, children, visitors etc. No say as to what the money is spent on, no receipts given either....Is this a legal collection OR a forced VOLUNTRY collection???
Why do you ask?
 
#4
Actually CIG, it grips my poo also. To the extent that I've refused to pay mine.
Quite a lot of pressure came my way to buckle but as you say, no receipts given and I have no say on how it gets spent. So no.

Apart from being called names for not paying it, it was 'justified' by saying it goes towards leaving do's and gifts. Neither of which I have received by any of my units. The lads usually go collecting with an envelope to raise funds for this sort of thing, with the unit refusing to splash out! Of course being a respected NCO....., some of the juniors also followed my lead. So I'm waiting for an interview without coffee shortly.

Unless people can justify these payments, they will get nothing of mine.
I don't cause many stirs but this one grips me.
 
#5
The PRI account should get audited by someone nominated from your unit/garrison as well as by an external agency. This should ensure all incomings and outgoings are above board.

If you are questioning whether the money you give out of your pcket makes it into the fund, then this is another, and very serious criminal, matter which needs to be reported up the COC ASAP.

If the COC are not receptive to it, then take it further via the welfare people, padre or fraud hotline (if it is stil up and running?)
 
#6
Not sure about the PRI but when I was an OC it was voluntary to join the subunit fund. There where a few miserable fockers that did not want to contribute the £3 a month subscription which was used for the good and benefit or the subunit members. So I changed the rules a bit; on joining the fund you got a ‘free’ subunit T shirt which you paid for by the first 2 months of subscriptions. Dress for PT parades was either subunit T shirt with civy shorts and trainers or issue shorts T shirt and silver shadows. Worked a treat, nothing better than publically showing people up and letting peer pressure take over.
 
#7
Paying into a fund that helps out and can be seen to help out the unit is one thing. Bullying someone into paying their money into a system for which they see no return is something else altogether, which is what I gather the original poster is on about.

The first is a great idea the second almost certainly criminal if looked at closely.
 
#8
And in this day and age, who can you trust?

Make it all above board, issue receipts and make the accounts transparent.

It's okay saying we're all in the Army and we have integrity, honesty, etc, until somone nabs all the cash and there's no proof who it came from or how much there was in the pot.

Accountability and a proper audit system/trail should be in place. Run the account as any sub unit account should be run - BY THE BOOK!!!

And, come on bluebells (ex OC), you should know better. What you did was tantamount to bullying and harassment. They were hardly equitable and fair rules. It may be what was done in the past, but people are thinkers nowadays and know that type of action is incorrect.
 

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#9
bluebells said:
Dress for PT parades was either subunit T shirt with civy shorts and trainers or issue shorts T shirt and silver shadows. Worked a treat, nothing better than publically showing people up and letting peer pressure take over.
Doesn't always work though.
I was in more than one unit where all Officers and Warrant Officers wore funny coloured jumpers. Some people get really upset when a senior Warrant Officer won't toe the party line & is not afraid to tell them so.
Oh & the lads loved it :D
 
#10
Having moral courage is much better than this:

"nothing better than publically showing people up and letting peer pressure take over"

tut tut!!
 
#11
bluebells said:
Not sure about the PRI but when I was an OC it was voluntary to join the subunit fund. There where a few miserable fockers that did not want to contribute the £3 a month subscription which was used for the good and benefit or the subunit members. So I changed the rules a bit; on joining the fund you got a ‘free’ subunit T shirt which you paid for by the first 2 months of subscriptions. Dress for PT parades was either subunit T shirt with civy shorts and trainers or issue shorts T shirt and silver shadows. Worked a treat, nothing better than publically showing people up and letting peer pressure take over.
No thats called discrimination. You must have been a right c0ck. Im yet to see an officer openly pay his subs for the PRI.
 
#12
Surely any fund that is donated to by personnel in the unit should have a committee that decides where and when the money is spent, made up of representatives of all ranks and from all sections of the unit, this makes things transparent and above board. It should also be fully accountable and regularly audited by the relevant, external, authority. And, no, you shouldnt be forced into contributing to it.
 
#14
Interesting points. I also shall not be paying, and have been promised a string of interviews with no coffee! Therefore I see that as extorting money with harrisment!!??
Im alot older and wiser now...
 
#17
[Directed at no-one in particular but...]

If you want a 9-5 job, go get one, wet pants. You will probably find a whingy union to take you on too.

Or join a vocation, a profession such as the Army and get on with it. PRI funds support the Regimental community that you belong to. Sometimes you see the direct benefit of that money, sometimes you don't. I seldom saw PRI funds spent without a lot of thought, imagination and a healthy orientation towards junior ranks and their families.

Fund managers conform to strict rules - if you think the money is being misspent or misappropriated then you are duty bound to escalate this and good luck to you.

As for sub-unit funds I'll tell a different story. If you didn't pay in, you didn't get to come to the sub-unit events. Because you weren't there you weren't part of the Squadron's social fabric. You got less face time with the OC, and the CO if he was there too. Perhaps the RSM was also invited. Frankly you were though of as rather dull. You didn't get to go on the fun RAATs either.

Perhaps that made you feel bitter and twisted. perhaps not. Perhaps your personality shone through anyway. But come CR time, it was hard to write you a really glowing one, even if you were great at your core job. If you can't see that the Army you are in is like this - and for good reasons - you need to get out more.
 
#18
Victorian_Major said:
[Directed at no-one in particular but...]

If you want a 9-5 job, go get one, wet pants. You will probably find a whingy union to take you on too.

Or join a vocation, a profession such as the Army and get on with it. PRI funds support the Regimental community that you belong to. Sometimes you see the direct benefit of that money, sometimes you don't. I seldom saw PRI funds spent without a lot of thought, imagination and a healthy orientation towards junior ranks and their families.

Fund managers conform to strict rules - if you think the money is being misspent or misappropriated then you are duty bound to escalate this and good luck to you.

As for sub-unit funds I'll tell a different story. If you didn't pay in, you didn't get to come to the sub-unit events. Because you weren't there you weren't part of the Squadron's social fabric. You got less face time with the OC, and the CO if he was there too. Perhaps the RSM was also invited. Frankly you were though of as rather dull. You didn't get to go on the fun RAATs either.

Perhaps that made you feel bitter and twisted. perhaps not. Perhaps your personality shone through anyway. But come CR time, it was hard to write you a really glowing one, even if you were great at your core job. If you can't see that the Army you are in is like this - and for good reasons - you need to get out more.
Boaring and dated views.. Victorian, shiit the bed, try Georgian!! Todays Army consist of people that CAN think for themselves...The days of give me your cash out of your pocket is over...Rock the boat? The boat has sprung a leak!
 
#19
civi-in-green said:
Victorian_Major said:
[Directed at no-one in particular but...]

If you want a 9-5 job, go get one, wet pants. You will probably find a whingy union to take you on too.

Or join a vocation, a profession such as the Army and get on with it. PRI funds support the Regimental community that you belong to. Sometimes you see the direct benefit of that money, sometimes you don't. I seldom saw PRI funds spent without a lot of thought, imagination and a healthy orientation towards junior ranks and their families.

Fund managers conform to strict rules - if you think the money is being misspent or misappropriated then you are duty bound to escalate this and good luck to you.

As for sub-unit funds I'll tell a different story. If you didn't pay in, you didn't get to come to the sub-unit events. Because you weren't there you weren't part of the Squadron's social fabric. You got less face time with the OC, and the CO if he was there too. Perhaps the RSM was also invited. Frankly you were though of as rather dull. You didn't get to go on the fun RAATs either.

Perhaps that made you feel bitter and twisted. perhaps not. Perhaps your personality shone through anyway. But come CR time, it was hard to write you a really glowing one, even if you were great at your core job. If you can't see that the Army you are in is like this - and for good reasons - you need to get out more.
Boaring and dated views.. Victorian, shiit the bed, try Georgian!! Todays Army consist of people that CAN think for themselves...The days of give me your cash out of your pocket is over...Rock the boat? The boat has sprung a leak!
Then jump ship. Sounds like you aren't needed.
 
#20
Any money that you pay must be paid into a properly run account, otherwise it is not legal to collect it whether a PRI at regimental level or a squadron/company level 'sub acount'. Each and every one of these must have a constitution which should include a business plan giving clear direction what the money is to be spent on. This should be available for all to read. Each 'sub unit' account should balance (within reason) each year so money in = money out thereby ensuring that it is spent for the good and benefit of the membership. In my last command all of my soldiers knew what they were paying in for and saw the benefit. Those few who did not wish to pay were charged extra to attend subsidised functions and adv trg. Finally each and every official account is audited so you can ask to see the audit report if you are unhappy that spending is not being 'receipted'.
 

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