Pres.Trump recognises Israeli annexation of Golan Heights

Is the decision to recognise annexation of Golan Heights right?

  • It is absolutely right

    Votes: 22 43.1%
  • At least it is a logical decision

    Votes: 4 7.8%
  • It is a premature step

    Votes: 1 2.0%
  • It will not change anything

    Votes: 2 3.9%
  • It is a doubtful action

    Votes: 2 3.9%
  • It is a wrong decision

    Votes: 6 11.8%
  • Criminal step made by Zionist puppet

    Votes: 6 11.8%
  • Don't know/Don't care

    Votes: 8 15.7%

  • Total voters
    51
#41
Shortly after the end of WWII a line was drawn through history by the victorious powers who founded the UN and declared that wars of conquest and national interest were to cease and that in the new world order borders were to be respected and relations between countries were to be conducted peacefully. This idea of a peaceful world order is not advanced by the annexation of either Golan Heights or Crimea.
To be fair it's been successful in some ways, Germany has managed to annex most of Europe without a shot being fired through the figleaf of the EU

In that respect the UN has done it's job, peace at any price, by any means necessary
 
#42
As ever the devil is in the details

Secret proposition of peace? It is absurd.
It’s a bit like having a ‘secret protocol’ when splitting up Poland and having ‘free reign’ on the Baltics etc?
 
#44
When the The Syrians held the Golan they used the strategic advantages offered by its terrain to shell Israeli villages and cut off Israel's main water supply by diverting them (the sources of the Jordan). Then, in 1967, together with Egypt and Jordan it shelled and attacked Israel, with Syria using the Golan as a springboard.
Had Syria only lived and let live it is reasonable to suppose that the Golan would still be in its hands. (Similar dynamic with the Arab inhabitants of Palestine really - had their leadership lived and let live instead of trying to ethnically cleanse their Jewish neighbours, there would have been no refugees).
I lived in the northern Golan for a few years and quite a bit of my army service was up there. I camp out there as often as I can - love the place.
In the nineties, following the experience of Scud bombardment from Iraq and when there was talk of a peace agreement with Syria, I was quite in favour of leaving it, despite my misgivings.
The events of the so called Arab Spring and the unstable, anarchic societies that so many of the countries in this region, particularly Syria, have proved themselves to be convinced me that for Israeli national security reasons alone, the current de facto situation on the ground will have to continue until further notice.
It is not by chance that apart from talk the world has gone along with this situation and both Egypt and Jordan made peace agreements with Israel. Regarding the sentiments of the only non Jewish residents in the four Druze villages on the northern Golan - already thirty years ago a good friend there told me "We don't want the Israelis and we don't want the Syrians - we would prefer to be a Druze enclave but since that isn't possible, I prefer the order the Israelis have brought to the anarchy of the Arab countries (he was alluding to what was going on in Lebanon and Hafez Assad's massacre of tens of thousands of his own citizens in Hama.)
I wil further ruminate on the subject when I camp out there early in April.
 
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#45
I think calling Trump a puppet is a bit off. A puppet moves in a co-ordinated manner, Trump just waves his extremities at random. At least the Jews in the US must feel a bit happier that he'll not set the Klan on them [yet].
KLAN was a Democratic party invention and the ONLY US senators who were KKK were guess what? Democrats
 
#47
No. it's called legalising theft.
How is it really any different than most of the USA, Canada, Australia, NI, Gib, Ceuta, Melilla, French Polynesia, Kaliningrad, South Ossetia, Crimea, Kuriles, Nepal all land grabbed(Stolen ) from others.

I cannot think of one nation on the planet which isn't on land belonging to someone else before it.

But Jews must be held to a different standard
 
#48
#49
(Similar dynamic with the Arab inhabitants of Palestine really - had their leadership lived and let live instead of trying to ethnically cleanse their Jewish neighbours, there would have been no refugees).
I was broadly with you except this bit

Its true, but at the same time not entirely honest as some Pals left because they were driven out by force or fear by (some) Israelis with an equally unpleasant mindset
 
#50
Meanwhile
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_164822.htm
JENS STOLTENBERG: First of all, NATO calls on Russia to end its recognition of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, and to withdraw its forces from these regions, because these regions are part of Georgia within its internationally recognised borders. And we will never recognise these regions as anything else. They are part of Georgia and we strongly support the territorial integrity of Georgia, including Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Then, the way to solve this is by conducting political talks, is to negotiate.
 
#51
Indeed, some lands that belonged to Germany were given to Poland and relatively small part to the Soviet union. Germany agreed with it.
Do you suggest that Israel used this precedent to annex Golan Heights?
Germany had no choice, you had the 4 powers basically telling it to accept, or fack off

I think Israel should annex it your lots Mafioso boss annexed Crimea
 
#52
Is this the same UNSC which 10 months later decided the UK should talk to Argentina over the Falklands sovereignty?
The same UN that passed this resolution:

Resolution 502 (1982) of 3 April 1982
The Security Council,

Recalling the statement made by the President of the Security Council at the 2345th meeting of the Council on 1
April 1982 calling on the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to
refrain from the use or threat of force in the region of the Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas),
Deeply disturbed at reports of an invasion on 2 April 1982 by armed forces of Argentina,
Determining that there… [read more] exists a breach of the peace in the region of the Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas),
1. Demands an immediate cessation of hostilities;
2. Demands an immediate withdrawal of all Argentine forces from the Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas);
3. Calls on the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to seek a
diplomatic solution to their differences and to respect fully the purposes and principles of the Charter of the
United Nations.

Adopted at the 2350th meeting by 10 votes to 1 (Panama), with 4 abstentions (China, Poland, Spain, Union of Soviet
Socialist Republics).
 
#53
Peace process = Israel gives up land and safety so arabs can renege and continue bombing and killing

Israel pulled out of Gaza (Actually evicted settlers) for peace and since then rockets come from Gaza by the hundreds each year
There is practical solution. Israel could lease Golan Heights for 20-30 years to remove Jewish settlers without any problems. Later Golan Heights could be demilitarised and international peacekeepers would control the territory.
 

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#54
It's funny. You explain my point of view while don't explain your own one.
I believe that a referendum in Golan Hights is needed where local population (excluding Jewish settlers) could express its will. Do you agree with it?
No. The greatest guarantee of peace in the region is defensible borders, particularly given that Syria is an unpredictable basket case. If Israel steps back from the Golan there is less room for error and its defensive posture must inevitably therefore become more paranoid.
 
#55
Russia victim 101 again I see

Step 1) Complain Trump is a meanie by recognising Israeli ownership of Golan point to Crimea complain not fair
Step 2) Boast that Amerika weak Russia Stronk because no other country has followed Americas lead thus America out of touch not leader of free world etc
Step 3) Claim lickle Russia poor Wictim of bwutal west because all those countries** that havent signed up to Israel keeping the Golan are hypocritically not signing up to Russia keeping the Crimea


**Yes the ones they boasted were not behind the US in step 2 but shush
 
#56
The same UN that passed this resolution:

Resolution 502 (1982) of 3 April 1982
The Security Council,

Recalling the statement made by the President of the Security Council at the 2345th meeting of the Council on 1
April 1982 calling on the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to
refrain from the use or threat of force in the region of the Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas),
Deeply disturbed at reports of an invasion on 2 April 1982 by armed forces of Argentina,
Determining that there… [read more] exists a breach of the peace in the region of the Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas),
1. Demands an immediate cessation of hostilities;
2. Demands an immediate withdrawal of all Argentine forces from the Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas);
3. Calls on the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to seek a
diplomatic solution to their differences and to respect fully the purposes and principles of the Charter of the
United Nations.

Adopted at the 2350th meeting by 10 votes to 1 (Panama), with 4 abstentions (China, Poland, Spain, Union of Soviet
Socialist Republics).
Which is also why the (2) Kirchener's administrations complaints that the UK was in breach by not following - (whatever 70s resolution number it was) and discussing the future of the Islands fell flat.

It was not unreasonably argued that 502 superseded it, that they were in breach of 502.

It was also, perhaps less diplomatically, pointed out by a UK Foreign minister that as far as the UK was concerned the sovereignty issue had been resolved in 1982
 
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#57
Which is also why the (2) Kitchener's administrations complaints that the UK was in breach by not following - (whatever 70s resolution number it was) and discussing the future of the Islands fell flat.

It was not unreasonably argued that 502 superseded it, that they were in breach of 502.

It was also perhaps less diplomatically pointed out by a UK Foreign minister that as far as the UK was concerned the sovereignty issue had been resolved in 1982
Kirchner? I don't think Lord K was around by then, though his influence lives on

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#59
And this of course is why both Israel and Russia will get away with it, provided they are patient enough.

In the long run, global power will shift to eastern and southern Asia while Europe and the US will find themselves relegated to the second and third tiers. People today might want to think about what sort of world they want to have in future when their own country is going to be on the receiving end of things.
The US is not Canada eh. It would be good of you to come to terms with that.
 
#60
There is practical solution. Israel could lease Golan Heights for 20-30 years to remove Jewish settlers without any problems. Later Golan Heights could be demilitarised and international peacekeepers would control the territory.
You're ASSUMING the Syrians would be civilized enough to abide by any treaty or lease. The same family which used Cyanide gas on its citizens in Hama back in 1982

International peacekeepers? already enough targets for both sides without yet another ineffective force to be shot at
 

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