Pres.Chavez insults mr.Blair

Should Venezuela be invaded?

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  • Yes but without British paticipation

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  • Yes but with symbolic British involvement

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  • Yes with full support from the UK

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  • Yes and Britain should strike first

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#1
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4695482.stm

On Wednesday in the House of Commons, Mr Blair was asked by Colin Burgon, an MP from his Labour party, whether Britain should follow "a really right-wing US republican agenda" in relation to Venezuela.

"It is rather important that the government of Venezuela realise that if they want to be respected members of the international community they should abide by the rules of the international community," Mr Blair replied.

"I also have to say with the greatest respect to the president of Venezuela that when he forms an alliance with Cuba I would prefer to see Cuba a proper functioning democracy."
As we see Rt.hon.learned mr.Blair made extremely polite remark. But Venezuelan hawbuck replied

He called Mr Blair "a pawn of imperialism, trying now to attack us from Europe", and "the main ally of Hitler" - a reference to George W Bush.

"You, Mr Blair, do not have the morality to call on anyone to respect the rules of the international community.

"You are precisely the one who has flouted international law the most... siding with Mr Danger [George Bush] to trample the people in Iraq."
Century ago, so bold statement would be a sufficient cause for war.
 
#2
Mr. Blair is quite correct. We should not support or ally ourselves with countries or governments, which have no democratic process in place. You will not find the British Government allied to any non-democratic countries.


Apart from Kuwait , Saudi Arabia, Bahrain , Jordan , Oman . Qatar, Pakistan , Kazakstan..........
 
#3
PartTimePongo said:
Mr. Blair is quite correct. We should not support or ally ourselves with countries or governments, which have no democratic process in place. You will not find the British Government allied to any non-democratic countries.


Apart from Kuwait , Saudi Arabia, Bahrain , Jordan , Oman . Qatar, Pakistan , Kazakstan..........
One can recall gen.Pinochet. Was he a British ally in 1982?

Notion of democracy is a very subtle matte. Pirates had some sort of democracy too (however only for internal usage). And gang of robbers could elect their leader democratically. But I doubt that you prefer to be robbed by 'democratically elected bandit'.
 
#4
I have no problem with Bliar being insulted, I do it on a daily basis. Not sure OP Venezuela Freedom is the best idea though, we'd be absolutely Caracas (groan) to go there.
 
#8
PartTimePongo said:
Mr. Blair is quite correct. We should not support or ally ourselves with countries or governments, which have no democratic process in place. You will not find the British Government allied to any non-democratic countries.


Apart from Kuwait , Saudi Arabia, Bahrain , Jordan , Oman . Qatar, Pakistan , Kazakstan..........
u left one out my friend, tho i'm not sure of it's validity. it all depends on whether it counts if you have a democratic system, but ignore it (say for example in important presidential elections)........
 
#9
An invasion of Venezuela could potentially bottom out their sustaining industry of beauty contestant pageants and cheap plastic surgery. Think carefully, gents...




Edited to provide illustration of potential impact (Miss Venezuela 2005)...
 
#10
KGB_resident said:
Century ago, so bold statement would be a sufficient cause for war.
Now...what would Georgie do? Pre-emptive strikes on air defences and then send in the BUFFs...what will we do? Wring our hands and ignore this tinpot slug...
 
#11
TankiesYank said:
An invasion of Venezuela could potentially bottom out their sustaining industry of beauty contestant pageants and cheap plastic surgery. Think carefully, gents...




Edited to provide illustration of potential impact (Miss Venezuela 2005)...
I'd say that both Blair and Chavez are right.

So do we go to war over it?

Judging by what could be at stake (see Tankies post) I am willing to selflessly take one for the team and go there on a 'fact finding mission' (its a tough job but someone's got to do it).

I believe that it would only be good and fair to expect a small contribution from each member of arrse to fund this vital mission. Hell I'll even bring piccies back for the gallery. You can't say fairer than that can you?
 
#12
Is it possible to insult BLiar? He is too thick-skinned to realise that someone is having a go at him. Tw@! :evil:
 
#13
Staaken!

staaken said:
See SPAMSPOOK site: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/pk.html#Govt

SERGEY - does Son Of КГБ have a similar "World Factbook"?
No, I haven't. But this one is funny

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/docs/notesanddefs.html#2128

Democracy - a form of government in which the supreme power is retained by the people, but which is usually exercised indirectly through a system of representation and delegated authority periodically renewed.
...
Democratic republic - a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them.
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Federal republic - a state in which the powers of the central government are restricted and in which the component parts (states, colonies, or provinces) retain a degree of self-government; ultimate sovereign power rests with the voters who chose their governmental representatives.
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Republic - a representative democracy in which the people's elected deputies (representatives), not the people themselves, vote on legislation.
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Parliamentary democracy - a political system in which the legislature (parliament) selects the government - a prime minister, premier, or chancellor along with the cabinet ministers - according to party strength as expressed in elections; by this system, the government acquires a dual responsibility: to the people as well as to the parliament.
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Dictatorship - a form of government in which a ruler or small clique wield absolute power (not restricted by a constitution or laws).
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Islamic republic - a particular form of government adoped by some Muslim states; although such a state is, in theory, a theocracy, it remains a republic, but its laws are required to be compatible with the laws of Islam.
So we see that

Any republic is 'a representative democracy'. And thus any republic is a democratic republic. So at least one definition is redundant.

Federal republic is a particular form of republic and thus is a democracy too.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/fields/2128.html

It appears that Pakistan is namely federal republic. Previously I thought that it is an Islamic republic (but in fact a dictatorship).

Albania - emerging democracy. So it is not a democracy yet. Maybe it is a dictatorship?
Belarus - republic in name, although in fact a dictatorship. Why this definition was been not used in the case of Pakistan?
Belgium - federal parliamentary democracy under a constitutional monarch. Very clear definition.
United Kingdom - constitutional monarchy. So CIA doubts that the UK is a democracy? Interesting...
Zimbabwe - parliamentary democracy. Very interesting information.
Unated states - Constitution-based federal republic; strong democratic tradition. Look only USA have 'strong democratic tradition'.
Russia - federation. And that's all? Why not a dictatorship?
Hong Kong - limited democracy. What does it mean?
 

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#14
KGB_resident said:
PartTimePongo said:
Mr. Blair is quite correct. We should not support or ally ourselves with countries or governments, which have no democratic process in place. You will not find the British Government allied to any non-democratic countries.


Apart from Kuwait , Saudi Arabia, Bahrain , Jordan , Oman . Qatar, Pakistan , Kazakstan..........
One can recall gen.Pinochet. Was he a British ally in 1982?
He serpently was Sergey......some SF ops were apparentely launched form Chilean FOBs....but ANY Chileno would have supported us in that war.....in case you weren't aware, Chile regard Argentina as their main potential threat in terms of LAND attack ( contiguous disputed border called , er, the Andes....), so some silly Yurpean nation spending blood and gelt to take down Galtieri was very much in the Chilean National interest..... Main naval threat is seen as Peru to the North.

I was in dodgy arms-dealer mode at that time.....the ironies would delight you...we could cheerfully sell Chile Surface-to-Air missiles ( and we did 'cos I hand-delivered an export licence to Southampton docks for one consignment) but export licences for Landrovers/barbed wire/trip-flares would be routinely turned down as aiding a repressive regime in its activities....... :roll:

A Moral Arms policy = oxymoron....as in " she's a little bit pregnant "......you either fish or cut bait.....

BTW, Sergey, you seem to be neglecting the definite article again....and what in Vladimir Ilyich's name is a "hawbuck" ?

Le Chevre
 

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#16
TankiesYank said:
An invasion of Venezuela could potentially bottom out their sustaining industry of beauty contestant pageants and cheap plastic surgery. Think carefully, gents...

Edited to provide illustration of potential impact (Miss Venezuela 2005)...
Hooo-ah ! nice post T-Y - viva la revolucion ! libertad o muerte !

.......personally I'm betting the lady wants one of these:
:lol:
 
#17
Goatman!

It appears that 'Hawbuck' is a rarely used dialectal word with meaning: low educated, rude yokel.

As for articles then it is my weak point, you know. However, in almost all cases you can freely place them according to context.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Security_Council_Resolution_242

United Nations Security Council Resolution 242 (S/RES/242) was adopted unanimously by the UN Security Council on November 22...it calls for the "withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Security_Council_Resolution_242#Semantic_dispute

The interpretation of the resolution has been controversial, in particular the issue of the correct interpretation of Operative

Clause 1(i), in which the Security Council calls for

Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict.

The French version of this reads differently:

Retrait des forces armées israéliennes des territoires occupés lors du récent conflit

The Russian version

вывод израильских вооружённых сил с территорий, оккупированных во время недавнего конфликта
...

The difference between the two version lies in the absence of a definite article ("the") in the English version (so that it means "from some territories"), while a definite article ("de + les" = "des") is present in the French version, so that it means "from the territories." The absence of the word "the" in the English version was the result of a deliberate amendment made by the Americans. The drafting process being made on the English version, the French being a translation of the English final draft. In Russian, a defeinite article like English "the" does not exist.
So I'm not alone in my ommitting of the articles.
 

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#18
KGB_resident said:
So I'm not alone in my ommitting of the articles.
Indeed you are not gospodin....and if my Russian was as good as your English I might count myself an equal......
 
#19
Goatman said:
KGB_resident said:
So I'm not alone in my ommitting of the articles.
Indeed you are not gospodin....and if my Russian was as good as your English I might count myself an equal......
Sorry Goatman!

The most right synonym for 'a hawbuck' is 'a bumkin'. I saw this word many years ago in one book and hadn't found it in the dictionary. However, from context its meaning was clear. And I checked myself using a very big dictionary.

http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definition/hawbuck
 
#20
http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/afx/2005/10/10/afx2267424.html

Argentina's foreign minister Rafael Bielsa confirmed that Venezuela is seeking to buy a medium-size nuclear power reactor from Argentina
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Argentina has a recognised track record as it has sold nuclear reactors to several countries -- Egypt, Australia, Peru and Algeria.

'If Venezuela wants to acquire a reactor, we will participate in the bidding and if we win we will sell it, as we have always done, with a lot of responsibility,' Bielsa said.
 

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