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Poxy bleedin plod

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From scotsman.com


"A MALE stripper accused of possessing offensive weapons while he "masqueraded" as a policeman was dramatically cleared of the charges against him yesterday.

In a decision described as a victory for common sense, a sheriff dismissed the charges against Stuart Kennedy, 24, who uses the name "Sergeant Eros" while performing his police stripogram act at hen parties and other functions.

He was arrested on 17 March outside Aberdeen's Paramount Bar after he has spotted in the street by two female police officers as he was about to do his act. He was wearing a police uniform and utility belt, which contained the batons. .. legal submissions by his solicitor, Iain McGregor, ... submitted that Mr Kennedy had been legally entitled to have the batons in his possession, provided he had reasonable excuse for doing so. The two batons, he said, were "merely props" in his act as a male stripper.

MSPs described the case as an "extraordinary waste of time and money".

Grampian Police and prosecutors had alleged Mr Kennedy - who has spent 41 hours in police custody and appeared in court eight times in connection with the matter - was guilty of offensive weapons charges. This was because his act involved having two police-style batons and an unidentified spray.

"No-one likes to be imitated for entertainment purposes, but just because something annoys a police officer does not make it a crime. In fact, here there is no crime whatsoever."

"It is a shame that a few officers with uniform egos can bring a force into disrepute and waste so much police time and that of the already overstrained justice system."
 
#2
Hmmm, I think this could have been dealt with by way of a quiet word and "don't bring them out in public again please mate" The baton that is.

The fact it saw the inside of a court makes a mockery of any remaining common sense left in UK policing.

Though I'm sure the PC's bosses were happy, that's a detected crime of possession of an offensive weapon there, and detection rates are all that matter to them.
 

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#3
Particularly like the fact that both WPCs went in to watch ‘to ascertain that he was in fact a stripper’ let him finish his act and then nicked him.

There’s also a few comments in the other Scottish papers about how he had asked various policemen what they thought and they had just laughed and told him to crack on. He also contacted Grampian police to see if he was possibly committing an offence and they never replied.
 
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How much experience did both female PCs have between them? Legally they were correct, but like you say....the common dog factor was missing. It's been missing for some time as well, as figures are all that matter to a politically driven management.

The Government needs to consider this when it comes up with hair brained schemes which have seen 'discretion' being removed from the Constable's 'armoury'. Those joining today have never seen it being used and are none the wiserfor it, hence my opening question about the experience level of the Officer's involved. Mind you, their supervision need to put their heads above the parapet.

With a bit of luck, Grampian Police might just be able to recover from such an embarrassing episode by allowing their Officer's to exercise 'discretion' instead of forcing them to obey the 'numbers' game. The amount of 'detected crime' may look great on paper, but what is considered 'crime' and what can really be sorted out by just speaking to people. The public complain that the police are unapproachable. I put that down to the 'business ideas' of the Police management, who in pursuit of their own goals, make life harder for the PC on the ground by creating a situations where people see the police as the 'enemy'.
 
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Sixty said:
Particularly like the fact that both WPCs went in to watch ‘to ascertain that he was in fact a stripper’ let him finish his act and then nicked him.

There’s also a few comments in the other Scottish papers about how he had asked various policemen what they thought and they had just laughed and told him to crack on. He also contacted Grampian police to see if he was possibly committing an offence and they never replied.
Beat me to it - I thought that was a great excuse! :twisted:
 
#6
How much experience did both female PCs have between them? Legally they were correct, but like you say....the common dog factor was missing. It's been missing for some time as well, as figures are all that matter to a politically driven management.

The Government needs to consider this when it comes up with hair brained schemes which have seen 'discretion' being removed from the Constable's 'armoury'. Those joining today have never seen it being used and are none the wiserfor it, hence my opening question about the experience level of the Officer's involved. Mind you, their supervision need to put their heads above the parapet.

With a bit of luck, Grampian Police might just be able to recover from such an embarrassing episode by allowing their Officer's to exercise 'discretion' instead of forcing them to obey the 'numbers' game. The amount of 'detected crime' may look great on paper, but what is considered 'crime' and what can really be sorted out by just speaking to people. The public complain that the police are unapproachable. I put that down to the 'business ideas' of the Police management, who in pursuit of their own goals, make life harder for the PC on the ground by creating a situations where people see the police as the 'enemy'.
This story has been a regular in the granite City. All press reports indicate that they were unsure how to proceed. Went back to base, put it up the CoC, and got their answer back to go nick him.
 
#7
I think that you will find that this is a little more vindictive that two dozy young female officers getting it wrong. This bloke has been arrested three times and has two further court cases in the new year. Smacks of political correctness gone wrong or male police officers jelous of the fact that he looks better than them or some sensible shoe wearing female senior officer getting the hump because he was male.

However there is a god and the senior resignation in the Met yesterday and the conviction of an ACPO officer for speeding put the balance back into things.
 

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The_Seagull said:
Hmmm, I think this could have been dealt with by way of a quiet word and "don't bring them out in public again please mate" The baton that is.
The fact it saw the inside of a court makes a mockery of any remaining common sense left in UK policing.

Though I'm sure the PC's bosses were happy, that's a detected crime of possession of an offensive weapon there, and detection rates are all that matter to them.
Yes, because that is legally binding and everyone always does what they are told?

What power would the police be exercising here?

None, thats what.

The sheriff is an idiot, this guy has no good reason to have a baton and the officers were quite right in arresting him, I would have done the same.


So he is a stripogram, so feckin what?
 
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BlotBangRub said:
The_Seagull said:
Hmmm, I think this could have been dealt with by way of a quiet word and "don't bring them out in public again please mate" The baton that is.
The fact it saw the inside of a court makes a mockery of any remaining common sense left in UK policing.

Though I'm sure the PC's bosses were happy, that's a detected crime of possession of an offensive weapon there, and detection rates are all that matter to them.
Yes, because that is legally binding and everyone always does what they are told?

What power would the police be exercising here?

None, thats what.

The sheriff is an idiot, this guy has no good reason to have a baton and the officers were quite right in arresting him, I would have done the same.


So he is a stripogram, so feckin what?
Um the batons are part of his act? Seems like good reason to have them to me and to the court is seems.

So you would have been just as wrong then.

Why exactly would you arrest him?
 
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BlotBangRub said:
The_Seagull said:
Hmmm, I think this could have been dealt with by way of a quiet word and "don't bring them out in public again please mate" The baton that is.
The fact it saw the inside of a court makes a mockery of any remaining common sense left in UK policing.

Though I'm sure the PC's bosses were happy, that's a detected crime of possession of an offensive weapon there, and detection rates are all that matter to them.
Yes, because that is legally binding and everyone always does what they are told?

What power would the police be exercising here?


None, thats what.

The sheriff is an idiot, this guy has no good reason to have a baton and the officers were quite right in arresting him, I would have done the same.


So he is a stripogram, so feckin what?
Come off it BBR, that is laughable.
If the officers had a quiet word with him and explained why they dont want to see him waving his baton around in public he may think to put them in a bag before entering into his act.
Its not about exercising power its about common sense.
Why not got to an airsoft event and arrest anyone walting as firearms officers.
 
#11
Would they have knicked him in cowboy chaps with two toy 6 shooters or as Rambo with an 18 inch plastic knife?

I think not!

Grampian Police - Tuff on Stripers, Tuff on the wardrobe of Stripers!
 
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Um the batons are part of his act? Seems like good reason to have them to me and to the court is seems.

So you would have been just as wrong then.

Why exactly would you arrest him?[/quote]

You would arrest him for carrying offensive weapons. It is as simple as that, They are not an essential item for his work therefore no need to have them in his possession in a public place.

That said i do not believe that this should have gone to court.

As for everybody automatically blaming the police when incidents like this occur, it probably is about time you learnt about the criminal justice system in the UK. The Police do NOT prosecute suspects it is the CPS that does that.
 
#13
The other scottish paper mentioned that the 2 female polis saw what looked liked cs canisters on the belt, so the stripper was nicked went to court and has now been made free, wonder how many bookings he will get for xmas parties???????

2 female cops were right in their actions.
 
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BIGBIRD101 said:
Um the batons are part of his act? Seems like good reason to have them to me and to the court is seems.

So you would have been just as wrong then.

Why exactly would you arrest him?
You would arrest him for carrying offensive weapons. It is as simple as that, They are not an essential item for his work therefore no need to have them in his possession in a public place.

That said i do not believe that this should have gone to court.

As for everybody automatically blaming the police when incidents like this occur, it probably is about time you learnt about the criminal justice system in the UK. The Police do NOT prosecute suspects it is the CPS that does that.[/quote]

True about the CPS.... but not in Scotland! That would be the Procurator Fiscal, and in either case neither the CPS nor PF would have to even think of prosecuting if the police didn't send bone no crime done cases to them!
 
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Airfix said:
Would they have knicked him in cowboy chaps with two toy 6 shooters or as Rambo with an 18 inch plastic knife?

I think not!

Grampian Police - Tuff on Stripers, Tuff on the wardrobe of Stripers!
Carrying an offensive weapon or imitation offensive weapon is an offence.
 
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Airfix said:
Would they have knicked him in cowboy chaps with two toy 6 shooters or as Rambo with an 18 inch plastic knife?

I think not!

Grampian Police - Tuff on Stripers, Tuff on the wardrobe of Stripers!
Well I'm a stripper as well. I use a BFOK and an IED in my show, but becasue I'm a stripper and it's part of my act it's ok :)

Come off it guy!

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A Stripper, with an offensive weapon? Oo Er Missus!

Arrest him and have the baton off him - Yes- Charge and court? No fecking way! Caution and feck him off- or keep the baton and No Further Action the job on grounds of public interest! Down to the CPS/PF though I'm afraid.

The litigious culture we live in doesnt help though, if said stripper had hit someone with the baton further down the line, the PCs may have been sacked for neglect for not arresting him.

Edited for mong typing
 
#18
BIGBIRD101 said:
You would arrest him for carrying offensive weapons. It is as simple as that, They are not an essential item for his work therefore no need to have them in his possession in a public place.
In that case phone the Met and tell them to go and nick the Gusardsmen at Buckingham Palace who have rifles and bayonets for no good reason other than to enhance their fancy dress.
 
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western said:
BIGBIRD101 said:
You would arrest him for carrying offensive weapons. It is as simple as that, They are not an essential item for his work therefore no need to have them in his possession in a public place.
In that case phone the Met and tell them to go and nick the Gusardsmen at Buckingham Palace who have rifles and bayonets for no good reason other than to enhance their fancy dress.
Not quite. I do believe that the Guards are allowed to use them. Didn't one nearly 'bay-net' a protester as he ran towards the Royal Carriage? Plod got there first... Spoil sports!

T C
 
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western said:
I think that you will find that this is a little more vindictive that two dozy young female officers getting it wrong. This bloke has been arrested three times and has two further court cases in the new year. Smacks of political correctness gone wrong or male police officers jelous of the fact that he looks better than them or some sensible shoe wearing female senior officer getting the hump because he was male.

However there is a god and the senior resignation in the Met yesterday and the conviction of an ACPO officer for speeding put the balance back into things.
Spending four months on paid leave and then retiring on a full taxpayer-funded pension is slightly different to resigning.

The former Norfolk chief constable will spend the next four months on paid leave before officially retiring in April.

By then he will have served 30 years in the police and be entitled to a full pension.
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