Power Station Protestors Arrested

#1
I'd like to know how the great unwashed travelled there? Did they all walk and cycle or use the great white elephant now known as the Toyota Prius? Also do none of them use electricity? As far as I was aware there are no electricity providers who specialise in environmentally friendly electricity.

BBC Link

Twenty-eight campaigners have been arrested during a "mass day of action" against carbon emissions at Britain's largest coal-fired power station.
Hundreds of demonstrators were hoping to disrupt operations at Drax Power Station in North Yorkshire.

The arrests were for offences including possession of offensive weapons and causing a public nuisance.

Police said the majority were arrested outside Drax but said a "small number" had gained access to the plant.

Ch Insp Barry Smith said North Yorkshire Police were "quite pleased with the way things have gone so far".

He said: "There was no disruption whatsoever to the functioning of the power station."

Mr Smith said there were fewer demonstrators than the force had anticipated. Officers had been told to expect around 2,000 protesters but about 600 were thought to have turned up.

North Yorkshire Police officers and staff from other forces were at the power station site and the camp on Thursday "to ensure that residents, power station employees and the demonstrators themselves do not come to harm, and that no laws are broken".

Police roadblocks were set up along all the main routes to the plant, causing long tail-backs for commuters.

Dozens of police vans have been placed around the area, near Selby, and fencing has been put up around the railway lines skirting the plant.

Following the day's first arrests the force's Deputy Chief Constable Ian McPherson said: "This is a sad contrast to the sincere and law abiding intentions of the majority"

He said the majority of the protesters were "behaving themselves".

"However we are conscious that within that group there is a hardcore - a number of individuals who have made their aims very clear, see themselves as rising above the law and it's those individuals who I think will undermine what is a serious point."

A spokeswoman for the protesters said their actions would involve marches, blockades and attempts to get into the site.

Michelle Bernstein, 28, from York, said: "Many of us are prepared to break the law, because the powers-that-be are addicted to planet-trashing economic growth.

"Shutting down a power station isn't enough to stop climate change but it's a start."

About 600 people are staying at the Camp for Climate Action, next to the power station.

Some of them have undertaken "civil disobedience training" at the site and plan to shut down the power station.

Drax is the biggest coal-fired power station in Europe, more than twice as big as any other power station in the UK.

Protesters claim it is obsolete and should be closed down and replaced with cleaner forms of power.

Drax Power was granted an injunction earlier this month banning unauthorised people from entering the site or using an adjacent footpath.

The injunction, to last indefinitely, was brought because Drax said it did not want protesters to be harmed by the complex industrial processes at the plant.

It also sought the injunction because it said Drax was an "important national strategic asset", contributing 7% of the country's electricity.

Drax Power's chief executive Dorothy Thompson said the company was "very concerned" about the impact of climate change but found it hard to understand what the demonstrators hoped to achieve.

She said: "What I don't understand is how these protesters think it's practical to shut all the coal in the UK, all coal generation in the UK, on a very short-term basis.

"What that would actually lead to would be chronic energy shortages in the UK and actually a serious shock to the economy."
 
#2
What I could say? Switch to gas and that's all.

I lived just near a huge power station in Moscow (1300MWt). The smoke was dense 20 years ago. But later the station began to use only natural gas as a fuel and a smoke looked not so disturbing.
 
#3
Horridlittleman said:
I'd like to know how the great unwashed travelled there? Did they all walk and cycle or use the great white elephant now known as the Toyota Prius? Also do none of them use electricity? As far as I was aware there are no electricity providers who specialise in environmentally friendly electricity.

BBC Link

Twenty-eight campaigners have been arrested during a "mass day of action" against carbon emissions at Britain's largest coal-fired power station.
Hundreds of demonstrators were hoping to disrupt operations at Drax Power Station in North Yorkshire.

The arrests were for offences including possession of offensive weapons and causing a public nuisance.

Police said the majority were arrested outside Drax but said a "small number" had gained access to the plant.

Ch Insp Barry Smith said North Yorkshire Police were "quite pleased with the way things have gone so far".

He said: "There was no disruption whatsoever to the functioning of the power station."

Mr Smith said there were fewer demonstrators than the force had anticipated. Officers had been told to expect around 2,000 protesters but about 600 were thought to have turned up.

North Yorkshire Police officers and staff from other forces were at the power station site and the camp on Thursday "to ensure that residents, power station employees and the demonstrators themselves do not come to harm, and that no laws are broken".

Police roadblocks were set up along all the main routes to the plant, causing long tail-backs for commuters.

Dozens of police vans have been placed around the area, near Selby, and fencing has been put up around the railway lines skirting the plant.

Following the day's first arrests the force's Deputy Chief Constable Ian McPherson said: "This is a sad contrast to the sincere and law abiding intentions of the majority"

He said the majority of the protesters were "behaving themselves".

"However we are conscious that within that group there is a hardcore - a number of individuals who have made their aims very clear, see themselves as rising above the law and it's those individuals who I think will undermine what is a serious point."

A spokeswoman for the protesters said their actions would involve marches, blockades and attempts to get into the site.

Michelle Bernstein, 28, from York, said: "Many of us are prepared to break the law, because the powers-that-be are addicted to planet-trashing economic growth.

"Shutting down a power station isn't enough to stop climate change but it's a start."

About 600 people are staying at the Camp for Climate Action, next to the power station.

Some of them have undertaken "civil disobedience training" at the site and plan to shut down the power station.

Drax is the biggest coal-fired power station in Europe, more than twice as big as any other power station in the UK.

Protesters claim it is obsolete and should be closed down and replaced with cleaner forms of power.

Drax Power was granted an injunction earlier this month banning unauthorised people from entering the site or using an adjacent footpath.

The injunction, to last indefinitely, was brought because Drax said it did not want protesters to be harmed by the complex industrial processes at the plant.

It also sought the injunction because it said Drax was an "important national strategic asset", contributing 7% of the country's electricity.

Drax Power's chief executive Dorothy Thompson said the company was "very concerned" about the impact of climate change but found it hard to understand what the demonstrators hoped to achieve.

She said: "What I don't understand is how these protesters think it's practical to shut all the coal in the UK, all coal generation in the UK, on a very short-term basis.

"What that would actually lead to would be chronic energy shortages in the UK and actually a serious shock to the economy."
Actually you can buy your electricty from "Ecotricity" who only invest in green technologies. There may also be a couple of others around now. Out of the main ones Eon have the greatest investment into renewables and being vertically integrated (they supply to grid + sell to consumer) your money is going towards green (ish). (Drax only supplies to grid, it is a company in its own right)

On the otherhand all the protestors are w*nkers. They don't have a fcuking clue. Drax already reduces its emisisons by co-firing with biofuels. It is also essential to the electricity supply in this country, it will take years for the capacity to catch up for us to be able to replace Drax.

Drax is supplying a demand (electricity). If the protestors don't like it then they should take the issue up with the consumers and try to encourage more people to sign up for green providers.

These people give environmentalists a bad name. Yes coal is carbon emititng fuel source, and releases double the quantity of carbon compared to gas, but our gas will be 95% imported by 2020, which isn't the greatest security of supply.

The drax spokesperson chats bollox though about coal being the most flexible of fuel sources, as gas comes on and off line far quicker, with less warm up time and with less infastructure required around a station (coal handling facilites etc compared to a gas pipeline)
 
#4
crabby said:
Actually you can buy your electricty from "Ecotricity" who only invest in green technologies. There may also be a couple of others around now.
And exactly what percentage of the population is actually supplied by these companies?
 
#5
It must be tinfoil day , but I am deeply suspicious as to the motives of this particular group or protesters at this time.
 
#6
Death_Rowums said:
crabby said:
Actually you can buy your electricty from "Ecotricity" who only invest in green technologies. There may also be a couple of others around now.
And exactly what percentage of the population is actually supplied by these companies?
No idea, but it's a completely free market, therefore anyone can sign up to these providers. They're not much more expensive than the cheapest, and can be very cheap.

http://www.uswitch.com/Energy/index.asp?ref= <--- price comparison based on your consumption and available suppliers
 
#7
Fortunately living in a mess I don't have to worry about who supplies my power. So long as my beer fridge keeps chugging away I'm happy. However this has left me somewhat out of the loop on electricity and its providers. Are the "eco" providers more expensive? I'm making the assumption that they would be.

Sorry I was typing as Crabbies response was posted. However what happens when "Ecotricity" has more demand than supply, do they turn off or switch to "dirty" electricity?
 
#8
HorridLittleMan,

You'll find that 6% of your Mess's electrickery is in fact supplied from renewable sources already.

http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/A.../DSC/ModsApproachToSustainableDevelopment.htm

However, I've long believed that there's much more that the Armed forces could do to put their house in order when it comes to environmental issues. For example, how many times do you see Rovers etc left with their engines running when there is no particular need? We're probably all guilty of this at some time or other, and a lot of it comes from the train of thought that goes something like "It ain't my fuel, I'm not paying, why should I care" etc etc. However, of course, seeing as we're all taxpayers, we are all paying.

Apologies, Rant over, just a personal niggle of mine there...

As for what would happen if Ecotricity signed up more customer demand than they had the ability to supply - well in the short term, you're correct, the shortfall would be met from the grid, and could have been supplied by anything from coal, nuclear or gas, or even someone else's wind or hydro station. In the long term, because the customer is paying a [small] premium, it would make it economic for the company to make further investments in new clean power sources.
 
#9
PartTimePongo said:
It must be tinfoil day , but I am deeply suspicious as to the motives of this particular group or protesters at this time.
They don't need a motive, it's just an excuse to kill some time between giro day. They love a ruck with the police as much as most football hooligans just instead of Prada they dress up like crusty the clown.
 
#10
I agree with them: close Drax now, switch to nuclear power immediately: clean, hygienic, 'carbon neutral' and much more fun to watch eco-loons tie themselves in knots trying to justify their hatred of it on scientific as opposed to quasi religious grounds...
 
#11
The_Seagull said:
PartTimePongo said:
It must be tinfoil day , but I am deeply suspicious as to the motives of this particular group or protesters at this time.
They don't need a motive, it's just an excuse to kill some time between giro day. They love a ruck with the police as much as most football hooligans just instead of Prada they dress up like crusty the clown.


I think you're being a bit too hasty or judgemental. According to The Independent, they include scientists, engineers, computer programmers, etc. - many who have taken the day off work to join in the protest. OK, there's the usual mix of 'rent a crowd' and anti capitalists and anarchists, but looking at some of the young clean cut faces, I've got the feeling this is just the start of something that may grow and gain momentum as time goes on. One major problem to be overcome is China's desire to build hundreds of coal-fired power stations as their economy grows. It's now possible (the scientists tell us) to store the CO2 produced by coal-fired stations and bury it, but it's debatable whether the Chinese will go in for this, given the example set by the west in past decades (and if the costs are prohibitive)
 
#12
Nibbler said:
I agree with them: close Drax now, switch to nuclear power immediately: clean, hygienic, 'carbon neutral' and much more fun to watch eco-loons tie themselves in knots trying to justify their hatred of it on scientific as opposed to quasi religious grounds...
Bloody hell this is getting scary i'm begining to agree with you more and more nibbler.

Hell i like you, you can come around my house and fcuk my sister!

As for frenchpersons post, yeah unfortunately for most real protest groups real idiots from anarchist groups jump on their bandwagon and nause it all up for them.

hence the clown insurgent rebel army seen on TV, professional plod winder uppers.
 
#13
Bad start to my morning, Just listened to one of these 'Protesters' say All Generating stations must close.
john If only I had a uni education then I could be an educated idiot too.
 
#14
Did anybody notice who was policing the march, The Metropolitan Police!!.

Are North Yorkshire a bit thin on the ground up there when it comes to public order events??.

The last time the Met were up that way, they were bashing the fcuk out off striking miners!. There was also a nasty rumour that squaddies were dressed in police uniforms and used on the picket lines.
 
#15
"There was also a nasty rumour that squaddies were dressed in police uniforms and used on the picket lines. "

My my wonder who started that ?
john
 
#20
The Met are seen as the british experts on dealing with public order situations, in particular protests of this nature. Thats why they're always at these types of demo's. Rightfully so, they have to deal with it all the time in London, it's so common it doesn't even make the news.

Another useless but interesting fact is that they are, however, not the experts on cat C (highest probability of football violence) football policing. that honor goes to South Wales Police due to the halfwit supporters of Cardiff City football club (most of the hooligans aren't even from Cardiff) and the recent big games at the Millenium Stadium, slap bang in the middle of Cardiff Town Centre.
 

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