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Poverty Gap is widest since WW2

#1
These cnuts just don't get it, the more that you give to someone, the more that they will then expect. Then when they get given more, in future they will want to have to do even less, in order to get it. Thus, the gap widens.


THE gap between rich and poor under Labour is wider than at any time since World War Two, a shock report out today reveals.

The damning verdict comes despite the Government throwing billions of pounds at the problem.

Last night the Tories accused Labour of the biggest betrayal of the poor for 65 years.

Shadow equalities minister Theresa May said: "It is unbelievable that Labour thinks it can claim to be the party of aspiration when its failure to tackle the causes of poverty have let down so many lives."

She vowed the Conservatives would bring in "radical policies" to turn the tide.

The independent National Equality Panel examined data going back to 1961 after finding the poverty gap had got steadily worse over the past five years. It was unable to unearth direct figures from before then, so drew a comparison using how much people pay in tax.

The stark conclusion is that Brits now face "the highest levels of income inequality since soon after the Second World War".

Almost a fifth of the country - 19 per cent - are in poverty. The EU average is 16 per cent.

Poor kids who get good exam results are still less likely to go to university. Meanwhile the PAY gap between the sexes has continued. Men leaving university are twice as likely as women to be on salaries of £30,000-plus after being employed for four years.

Equalities minister Harriet Harman insisted: "We have made progress over the last 13 years - especially in tackling poverty."

She claimed Labour had "halted the rising growth of inequality that dates back to the 1980s and which we still see the effects of today".

She vowed: "We will do more to increase social mobility and tackle barriers that hold people back unfairly."

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#2
ffs
its not about fecking handouts :x
Its getting people off benefit and into work. Work that pays enough to cover housing costs etc.
You don't want a violent underclass make work and eduction policies work.
read the report social mobility is at an all time low that means the idea of a meritocracy is big heap of steaming lies. :x
 
#3
Intelligent but poor children are, under Liarbours "University for all" regime, actually less likely to go to Uni as there is less financial support available to them to do so. Ok so fewer kids overall went to Uni before but the ones who came from poorer families got the financial support they needed so they wouldnt end up with a useless piece of paper and a massive pile of debt.

This is just one example of socialist meddling having exactly the reverse effect as intended. Financial, if not social, mobility is far more likely under the model established by the Consevatives just before Liarbour came and effed up the country with their enforced mediochrity.
 
#4
It is disgraceful that, after the longest period of socialist government for 100 years, half of our fellow citizens still have to manage on less than average income.

VOTE LABOUR. ABOVE AVERAGE INCOME FOR ALL.
 
#5
Ancient_Mariner said:
It is disgraceful that, after the longest period of socialist government for 100 years, half of our fellow citizens still have to manage on less than average income.

VOTE LABOUR. ABOVE AVERAGE INCOME FOR ALL.
:rofl:

Nice one. The thing is that I think some of them honestly think that should be the case.
 
#6
So let us go back to when Gordon was in his first years as Chancellor nearly 13 years ago when he raided the Private Pension schemes . This started the crash in their performance so that people who have been paying in since this lot came to power are going to get scant little when they retire . Not so for Public Sector employees .
The whole way we have the State Pension , Care for the Aged , Benefits system set up it does not pay to try and better yourself . It is the classic situation of those who are always in the middle will be penalised in every direction to support the under class who have no intention of attempting to improve their lot . This underclass now in its second or third generation are well versed in the milking of the Benefit system to the maximum .
This society we live in now has been equalised down over and this Government must carry a lot of the blame .
Their policy of virtual open doors for immigration has meant that an even bigger burden is being suffered by Tax Paying part of society .
The aim by this Labour Government to essentially force more young people to University is creating a generation starting out on their working life with ~£20k of debt and scant chance of being able to purchase a house to live in . I believe that young people are being sold a false dream . University education has now become big business
I sympathise with young people of today I believe that their ability to aspire to greater things in life compared to what they started out with is poor . I am however convinced that the last 13 years have done the most to create this situation .

All the above is probably disjointed , some off point and a bit nonsensical but I feel better for hitting the keyboard .
 

seaweed

LE
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#7
Still the 'trap' problem where at the bottom of the pile it doesn't pay to get a job if it means fares, paying tax, and losing all the addons that go with being on benefit.
 
#8
Quite interested to see that one of the measures of inequality is the gap is net worth, leading to headline screaming "richest 10% are now 100 times better off than the poorest!"

Ah yes, that sounds unequal. But how do you measure that? Easy.

You add up all savings and investments, take off debt then add in just about every bit of sh1t you own plus the value of your house and your pension pot

By that measure a career Police Inspector at normal retirement point is claimed to be "worth" £1,365,273. Got the general picture?

I smell a Harperson sized rat.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/interactive/2010/jan/26/hills-report-uk-inequality-social-trends
 

TheIronDuke

ADC
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#9
Border_Reiver said:
So let us go back to when Gordon was in his first years as Chancellor nearly 13 years ago when he raided the Private Pension schemes.
No, actually, lets go back to the point of the survey? The end of WW2?

Where we had poor people living in damp, rat infested slums with outside toilets, no central heating and no plasma screen TV's. When we had kids with Ricketts and proper malnutrition. Back before Matalan and Primark gave the poor decent shell suits in which to try and rob us?

To say the gap between rich and poor is greater now, compared to then, is laughable.

As is Harriet Harperson, the author of this shabby 'survey' which has just blown up in her self-satisfied fat rich face.

Case for the defence rests M'Lud.
 
#10
Blokeonabike said:
Intelligent but poor children are, under Liarbours "University for all" regime, actually less likely to go to Uni as there is less financial support available to them to do so. Ok so fewer kids overall went to Uni before but the ones who came from poorer families got the financial support they needed so they wouldnt end up with a useless piece of paper and a massive pile of debt.
What a load of shite.

Poor students have less opportunity to go to uni than when they had to pay the full costs themselves if they didn't wangle a scholarship? Get hired.
 
#11
seaweed said:
Still the 'trap' problem where at the bottom of the pile it doesn't pay to get a job if it means fares, paying tax, and losing all the addons that go with being on benefit.
Easily sorted by stopping benefits payments.
 
#12
DeltaDog said:
seaweed said:
Still the 'trap' problem where at the bottom of the pile it doesn't pay to get a job if it means fares, paying tax, and losing all the addons that go with being on benefit.
Easily sorted by stopping benefits payments.
Without a squaring of the circle to make sure a job pays the bills, that's just a recipe for a crime-wave. Crack down on the crime wave? Get riots. Crack down on the riots? Get a revolution.
 
#13
TheIronDuke said:
Border_Reiver said:
So let us go back to when Gordon was in his first years as Chancellor nearly 13 years ago when he raided the Private Pension schemes.
No, actually, lets go back to the point of the survey? The end of WW2?

Where we had poor people living in damp, rat infested slums with outside toilets, no central heating and no plasma screen TV's. When we had kids with Ricketts and proper malnutrition. Back before Matalan and Primark gave the poor decent shell suits in which to try and rob us?

To say the gap between rich and poor is greater now, compared to then, is laughable.

As is Harriet Harperson, the author of this shabby 'survey' which has just blown up in her self-satisfied fat rich face.

Case for the defence rests M'Lud.
The problem is with the way "poverty" is measured. When the lowest x% method is used, it is possible for everyone in society to get better living conditions while the measurement says poverty is increasing. The reverse is also true, the measurement can declare that poverty is reduced while everyone is worse off.

Madness, but hey-ho.
 
#15
smartascarrots said:
DeltaDog said:
seaweed said:
Still the 'trap' problem where at the bottom of the pile it doesn't pay to get a job if it means fares, paying tax, and losing all the addons that go with being on benefit.
Easily sorted by stopping benefits payments.
Without a squaring of the circle to make sure a job pays the bills, that's just a recipe for a crime-wave. Crack down on the crime wave? Get riots. Crack down on the riots? Get a revolution.
If people can't pay their bills, bills will drop to a level where they can. It's day one economics. Admittedly, however, getting people working is nowhere near as simple as stopping welfare payments cold turkey.

That said, wouldn't it be brilliant to see this country unite together and fight for something?
 
#16
DeltaDog said:
smartascarrots said:
DeltaDog said:
seaweed said:
Still the 'trap' problem where at the bottom of the pile it doesn't pay to get a job if it means fares, paying tax, and losing all the addons that go with being on benefit.
Easily sorted by stopping benefits payments.
Without a squaring of the circle to make sure a job pays the bills, that's just a recipe for a crime-wave. Crack down on the crime wave? Get riots. Crack down on the riots? Get a revolution.
If people can't pay their bills, bills will drop to a level where they can. It's day one economics. Admittedly, however, getting people working is nowhere near as simple as stopping welfare payments cold turkey.
Bills will never drop. We track our electric and gas consumption on our online gas bill. In the last 2 years by introducing "cost cutting" measures our consumption has halved. Funny old thing though is that the energy companies have just found new reasons to proclaim that the price of fuel is rising.

If thousands, millions, of households across the country, like ours, have more than sufficient loft insulation, have two jackets on the hot water tank, have double glazing, cavity wall insulation, don't leave stuff on standby and have low energy light bulbs then that "Day One Economics" should show that as Demand drops, so does the supply prices. My fecking arrse. You honestly believe that the big energy companies can really afford to allow supply prices to fall below a certain level..? Dream on mate. How on earth are they meant to pay the share holders dividends if the fuel is that cheap? Plus, why do you think that the government is pouring millions of pounds at the Warm Front Scheme? Cause they know that energy prices will never come down, so to sustain 'The Poor' at an affordable fuel supply price, they have to help them to “Mark Time” by paying for their insulation and new boilers.

It's no different than the Oil prices. Countries like Russia, Venezuela and Saudi Arabia can afford price of a barrel to drop to the low prices of $20 per barrel, their economies demand upon Oil revenue and for that to be sustainable for them then it has to be around the $80 per barrel mark.
 
#17
Apparently the number of people falling into " Fuel Poverty " is increasing dramaically . The graph below , from The Financial Times " shows an interesting plot of Bulk Gas Prices ... regrettably and to my disbelief the charges I pay have not followed such a plot even allowing for the lag of suppliers buying ahead . Someone ... some companies are making an awful lot of money .
 

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seaweed

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#18
Actually this shows how very successful our economy has been since the war in providing opportunities for those able and willing to take them, which is how more people got wealthy. Not least of course the increased opportunities for house ownership, where inflation has conferred a useful capital gain on the mortgagee over the years. Not, of course, that one can realise this without having to buy another house at 2010 prices.
 
#19
Following on from points earlier made ..

I grew up in the late 40’s and 50’s and can remember outside toilets , rickets , no central heating , slums and a generally low standard of living which was probably endured by the greater part of the population . So although my parents did not have a lot neither did any of the others living around us .
Without doubt the general standard of living has change dramatically over the past 60 years .
I probably did grow up in a time when social mobility was possible and millions of young people with high or even medium aspirations could certainly move on in life and improve their financial wellbeing and acquire a real sense of achievement .
I am sure from my generation there will have been millions of people who can now say they feel they have achieved something and tried to leave for their children some form of inheritance . So we started our lives with a low standard of living but with effort and pain tried to improve our lot .
Ongoing poverty and social mobility must be linked in some way . I just get the impression to better oneself nowadays you run a great risk of being penalised especially in later life . I make this point because of what I have seen with Private Pensions where millions of good people will not enjoy the standard of living they aspired to in retirement but will be much poorer . The “ Pension Pot “ I believe was one of the factors used to establish wealth in the analysis to determine the poverty gap .

Again probably just rambling thoughts … but my measure of poverty is that we are much better off compared to the end of WW2 . I still think the wealth gap is increasing but those suffering the most as always are the people in the middle .
 
#20
Real poverty is not a problem in this country. People are not poor, they just feel they deserve more than the basics for nothing, or very little.

It is possible to get on and make something of yourself if you are willing to put some hard work in. The Army instilled in me some firm values and an ethos that I've found if applied to just about anything leads to success. Humble beginning is no excuse, you have to work to get things in life, no one is going to hand it to you on a plate.

Squeezing the so called middle classes is why there is such a wealth gap, why the hell should successful people bail out the scrounging scum who sponge off the state? The likes of sven/whet who can work, but have decided they are all right jack using up taxpayers money that could be well spent elsewhere. When the squeeze gets too much they bugger off abroad, and more importantly take ALL their money with them, lose lose.
 

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