Potential Young Officer in need help!!

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  1. Hi there,

    I am a long time lurker on this forum and have finally decided to take the step and create my first post, so please be gentle.

    My current situation is that i am a 23 year old sports coach, non graduate looking to hopefully gain a commission to RMAS. I have always had an interest in the Military, and to be fair i have spent my share of time discussing potential choices with careers officers of both the Navy and the Army. However i finally decided that it was worth aiming high and working towards the ideal goal which is an Officer commission in the British Army... life's full of regrets and not trying would be a major one of them.
    As far as qualifications go i have an HNC in Health Fitness and Exercise, which for military purposes is as useful as a chocolate teapot,. I am currently about to return to college at 23 so i can attain 3 Higher qualifications and those incredibly helpful 180 UCAS points.

    I have lived a bit, having represented my country in sport, been involved in child care and most recently worked as a sports coach with kids, both at home and abroad and also becoming a qualified Rock climbing instructor while traveling the United States.

    My questions that i am hoping to have answered are as follows.

    1. Except the obvious, such as military knowledge,speed distance time, fitness, is there anything worth doing that would hopefully tip the scales in my favour throughout the process?

    2. As a non graduate, is it most likely that i will end up in the RLC or something along those lines... just because im a non grad. I would hopefully aim for AAC (forever dreamed of flying so worth a crack) and failing aircrew selection Royal Scots Dragoon Guards or an Infantry regiment ... i mean is the unit you join heavily influenced by your previous qualifications,( e.g only officers with a 1:1 degree get into the guards) or is your performance at Sandhurst the main influence. I wouldn't like to go through the whole process to end up somewhere i wouldn't like to be.

    3. Although i do not currently have the 180 Ucas points, should i get in touch with the Army Careers Office, and see if we can go so far in the process.. or maybe arrange visits. I feel like i want to get the ball rolling and give myself the best chance possible... no excuses for failing that way.

    Thanks very much in advance for any help or advice people.
  2. Sorry folks, it didn't seem this long and drawn out in my head!!!
  3. Hello RW and welcome to the forum. First off a disclaimer....I'm not serving, i'm due to start the RMAS this Sept.

    1. Yes those things are important, as well as focusing on the specifics of SDT, be comfortable with basic maths, mental calculations that may have gone a little rusty since those long gone school days. Read a quality newspaper, listen to current affair podcasts whilst you go for a run. Get your news from a variety of sources ie al-jazzera, Guardian etc.

    2.Being a non-grad has little bearing on where you end up. Well maybe a little. I'm also a non grad and on my initial interview with my ACA i was asked which regiments i was interested in and of the four i said, it was deemed i was suitable for three of them. The one i wasn't was the Intelligence Corps. It could be argued that it was wrong for the ACA to tell me this but i believe they got the call right. I'm not an academic, theoretical person, and it would of been wrong for me. Certain Regiments attract and want certain people, whether that be background, class, or education which together all shape you and your outlook. It's a question of fitting in.

    Get on some fam visits and meet the officers, soldiers, see if you can see yourself living in that mess as it's going to be your home for x amount of years and the fellow officers are going to be your brothers/sisters. Getting to know the regiments by going on visits etc is important as it puts a face to a name when it comes the Regimental Selection Board, so if you can build a relationship it can only help. But your performance on the CC is of great importance, you've got to perform, simple as.

    As an after thought, and i'm not raining on your parade, be prepared for disappointment with AAC as it's most probably the most strenuous in it's selection and one of the more popular choices. And from hearsay you can either fly an Apache or not.

    3. I'm 99% certain you need the 180 ucas points before you can get the interview with the ACA. Ring them and get from the horses mouth. The whole process from initial interview to RMAS barring no fuc$ ups, is about year so you better get the ball rolling.

    Good luck
  4. Hahahahahahahahahahaha - genius!

    Oh sorry, I thought you were kidding. I have met some very intelligent guards offcers as well as some who could get lost in a revolving door and starve to death.

    Where you end up will be based almost entirely on how you perform at Sandhurst and the kind of person you are. There would be no point sending you to a capbadge where you will simply not fit in. I was tempted to give a few example but I suspect you don't want this thread to turn into a inter-capbadge argument.

    Also (depending on the sport) The fact that you have competed at a national level could have a significant impact on where you go. Some regiments and corps rate particular sports very highly and may fight tooth and nail to get you if they think you will be an asset to the div/corp team.
  5. Hi, I think the most important thing is that you get the necessary UCAS points (as you already know) as otherwise you won't get through the first stage. I would probably contact the Career's Office anyway, just to see what their take on your situation is and make yourself known to them.

    Your first question is pretty vague, there isn't really anything that might tip the scales in your favour in particular, perhaps waterboard the career's advisor until he agrees to let you in? They are keen on current affairs so keep up to date with that and be prepared to express your point of view on issues through the selection process, other than that keep fit, have a wide range of hobbies/interests, read, learn about the Army/regiments, all fairly rudimentary stuff.

    Which regiment you end up in does not normally relate to your qualifications, the most important thing is your performance at Sandhurst, it is a fairly level playing field. You chose your regiments based on visits normally and where they think you might fit in, the official choice is made at Sandhurst but most people have a vague idea before hand. If other people select the same regiment and outperform you they will be chosen and vice versa, you choose 2 regiments or 3 if you go Air Corps due to high failure rate. If you do not get into any of your choices you will be put somewhere appropriate, and as far as I can tell there are not many places that breed discontent so don't worry about that yet.
  6. Gremlin

    Gremlin LE Good Egg (charities)

    Absolute tosh!

    A well equiped Officer of the Guards would be unlikely to travel anywhere without a hamper containing emergency rations from Fortnums!

    Out of interest RW101, which sport? It may actually have some bearing on which Regt's would be keen to grab you, so to speak!
  7. Before embarking on a bagful of A-levels have you checked with UCAS whether your existing quals are worth any UCAS points? As a level-5 qualification there's a chance it might be.
  8. I am pretty new to this too despite having been a serving officer for 12 years now. Too long spent reading some of the drivel posted on this site!

    Very happy to offer advice regarding being a non-grad officer in the SCOTS DG - it is a specialist subject of mine!

    I believe the expression is "PM me" - I have no idea what will happen but I'm sure I will be able to make it work!
  9. Hi, yeah i have in the past done pretty well at judo,winning national championships and training with the elite performance squad for a while... and i also play a little rugby, although not at a high standard whatsoever.

    Yeah checked with UCAS and as a Scotsman doing a Scottish HNC they wont be on the UCAS Tariff till next year, at which point i will hopefully have done my higher and exceeded my 180 UCAS points.

    To the folk who mentioned the AAC being strenuous, i had assumed this was the case, however i would assume that it is worth an attempt, i mean isn't failure the worse than can happen? ( note my assumptions are definately open to influence should i be completely wrong)

    Thanks for clearing up quite a lot so far people,it basically looks like the general consensus is get the 180 UCAS points and get the the show on the road. Looks like i am just going to have to sit back and wait until that point comes along.... for the record, does anyone know if they would begin an application based on predicted grades? which i assume i would get in February or some time like it.

    And Nellie.... i will attempt this PM business asap.

    Thanks Again
  10. Caecilius

    Caecilius LE Reviewer Book Reviewer

    Doubtless there are a few with extra toes who got in because one of their ancestors fought with the Regiment in the Crimea, but the Guards do make up for it by having the greatest proportion of Oxbridge graduates in their messes when compared to any other Regiment.
  11. To the folk who mentioned the AAC being strenuous, i had assumed this was the case, however i would assume that it is worth an attempt, i mean isn't failure the worse than can happen? ( note my assumptions are definately open to influence should i be completely wrong)

    Of course it's worth the attempt! I was just highlighting that the medical requirements are more stringent and from hear say the flight grading and aptitude testing is pretty intense! Which i'm sure you'll find out about in the next 6-18 months or so.
  12. Indeed? I didn't know that but I can well believe it. I will be sure to use this in conversation at some point and give you no credit whatsoever.

    Have you also noticed that they have the abillity to show no outward intrest or effort and then come out with a depresssingly clever question that puts a presenter on his arse?
  13. Hi there,

    i have spoken to someone who claims to be an AFCO ... and more or less he is claiming that someone who is 23... should have a degree before applying. The general outlook from this guy is that even if i get 180 ucas points, and with my previous experience the chances i will get in as YO are incredibly slim. In his opinion the 180 ucas points should have been attained 5 years ago.. this doesn't set me apart as an academic achiever?.. i would have thought there were people applying who have done a lot less in there lives since school than myself. I did manage to get student of the year for the HNC i did instead at college, and due to the Ucas tarriff i need to go back to college to gain 180 ucas points.

    What is the reality of the situation, i realise that they can afford to be very picky, but i wouldn't have thought i was a terrible candidate. Surely ifyou meet the minimum standards... but appear to be a fantastic potential officer at AOSB then your chances are as good as any.

    Feeling like signing up to get those 180 ucas points has been a major waste of time if there is absolutely no chance of me getting in whether i meet the minimum requirements or not.

    Any advice on the situation people, i really fancy giving officer a shot.. i mean im serious enough to take a year out of my working life at 23 just so i can meet the requirements for officer... i am pretty serious...... or is it a no hoper and worthwhile packing up my old kit bag and heading the soldier route???

    As i say any advice hugely appreciated.