Potential CMT

#1
Hi,
I'm 19yrs old and currently studying for a BTEC National Diploma in the Uniformed Public Services (equivelant to 3 A Levels). I have always wanted to go into the Army but also have a passion to become a Paramedic on civvy street.

After talking to my college tutors I am now undecided as to whether I should join up as a CMT for the minimum service (4yrs) and then leave to go into the civvy ambulance service or not? Doing this would certainly help my application to become a paramedic, and I would also fulfill my desires to be a reg (am currently a T.A recruit but seem to be getting no where with it). However, is it frowned upon to just complete minimum service, and what are the chances that I will end up staying in for longer?

Sophie
 
#3
Being a CMT for 4 years probably won't help you to get into the NHS anyway, and you are unlikely to see much clinical work. Go for NHS paramedic, and join the RAuxAF or RNR where your skills will be utilised.
 
#4
Perhaps if you were considering a civilian job as a bin man or street sweeper then a 4 year stint as a CMT would serve you well. The well versed phrase " when I were a lad" was....

Join the Army and see the world

Join the RAMC and sweep it.

A certain "catterick based unit" which had the numbers 24 and the initials AFA in its title, once had op tour tee shirts made whilst on tour in the Balkans which had on the back a nice motto about road sweeping duties. Oddly enough the powers that ran the corridors of puzzle palace wanted the shirts banning from wear. guilt complex perhaps ?????
 
#5
they are right son.
for your first posting as a cmt you go to the med regts which in truth you probably wown't see a patient you'll be busy painting things.

if you stay over that and get a teeth arms posting as a company or battery medic thats now classed as Primary Health Care. You will see patients but more often than not sprains and strains.
Although i hate to say it if you want to be a paramedic as i did when i joined stay a civvy and do it that way. Under the new scope of practice as a TA cmt and a trained paramedic you wouldn't be subject to the same restrictions on your skills as a normal TA cmt with only the cmt qualification.

In the future the cmt string will be split and paramedic and amb tech will be an option but not yet.
 
#7
Being a CMT in the TA doesn't seem to be an option at all at the moment. I enquired about transferring from my current unit to the TAMS as a CMT, and was told that TAMS are currently only recruiting (except for qualified medical workers) drivers, cooks and clerks.
 
#9
Finish your BTEC and try your luck at RCB. No matter what you read here, attending RMAS will stand you in good stead forthe rest of your career and having British Army Officer on your CV will do you no harm either.
 
#10
Whats RCB? Don't fancy being an officer at all. Will I really be sweeping roads and painting arrse for the whole 4 yrs if I were CMT?
 
#12
medman82 said:
recruit said:
Whats RCB? Don't fancy being an officer at all. Will I really be sweeping roads and painting arrse for the whole 4 yrs if I were CMT?

In a word......YES......sorry if thats burst your bubble mate.
whoah, if thats all CMT's nowdays thats put me off becoming one aswell, maybe they should put that in the job desription "retrieve casulties from the front line...... and when in barracks paint signs".
 
#13
recruit said:
Whats RCB? Don't fancy being an officer at all. Will I really be sweeping roads and painting arrse for the whole 4 yrs if I were CMT?
Yes, but dont forget about the tents.....

While never having been a member of the AMS I did do an 'attached' 3 year fun :lol: tour with a certain Reg FH based not very far from a AMS Indoor Training Establishment that you will know as a TA Medic.

Great bunch of lads 'n' lass'es in a social way, keen medics and I have to admit experts to the core on Tentage... setting it up, taking it down.... packing it away, getting it out again just to count it, then packing it away again.... get the drift????

In my whole time in I had never seen such a waste of manpower, just how many times can you pack a tent.... scary thing there was not a lot of medical training going on apart from the odd excercise!!! Talk about 'jack' on the guys, I bet the CMT's didn't join to do 'Boy Scout' tent badges!

Don't know what the current situation is with the CMT trade and I really really hope it has improved for those in it, but back then (late 90's) from an 'outsiders' view looking in 'Mis-employed' and 'Demoralised' certainly came to mind.

RCB = Regular Commisioning Board.
 
#14
It is not all doom and gloom as a Cbt Med Tech. Most Fd Units now have clinical attachments and a joined up, progressive clinical training system. On operations, and there are plenty of those as a Cbt Med Tech, the skills of a medic and of a soldier are tested on regular occasions.

Check out the last operational honours list which saw a Cpl Cbt Med Tech mentioned in dispatches (MiD) for his operational duties.

Moreover, the pilot paramedic training course starts later this month which can only be positive.

There are bad points to all trades and CEGs within the Army but based upon 24 years service, I believe that it is still an organisation where hard work and committment is rewarded.
 
#17
Scholesy said:
It is not all doom and gloom as a Cbt Med Tech. Most Fd Units now have clinical attachments and a joined up, progressive clinical training system. On operations, and there are plenty of those as a Cbt Med Tech, the skills of a medic and of a soldier are tested on regular occasions.

Check out the last operational honours list which saw a Cpl Cbt Med Tech mentioned in dispatches (MiD) for his operational duties.

Moreover, the pilot paramedic training course starts later this month which can only be positive.

There are bad points to all trades and CEGs within the Army but based upon 24 years service, I believe that it is still an organisation where hard work and committment is rewarded.
Christ did that party line go down easy when you swallowed that bullsh*t Scholesy? Begs a question are you or have you ever been a CMT?

Those I know who are or have been, and have already posted seem to disagree....mmm maybe because they have listened to the party line and know it is a load of bollo*ks.

Promised training is fine and dandy but seeing is believing, promised me the same in 88 when I joined still promising me it in 01 when I left, Unit run training is hit and miss and any training with local NHS usually gets binned when there is not enough people to stag on, or an op tour comes around and nothing gets sorted out afterwards. That I am sorry to say is the reality of the CMT training in the AMS for the vast majority, you may get the odd lucky bast*rd but not many. Don't tell me has changed in the last 4 years as I am still in contact with serving members who have exactly the same issues as those of us who have posted on here.

Recruit, this in reality what a CMT does!!! anyone who has done a stint as a Canvas Maintenance Technician (what the trade should be called) will tell you that the vast majority of time is spent dossing around the sections or DS, painting boxes, patching scrim nets and lacing 9x9, 12x12 and 18x24 tents. Throw in a heavy dose of sweeping up, doing donkey work for the trogs and QM work parties you have pretty much the life of a CMT in a medical unit while not on Ops. While on Ops all of the above in different climate and the odd crash ambulance or medical centre duty where you might see a bit of med work.

I was lucky I did 6 months on the Ambulance strike in 89 - 90 but to be honest getting hold of a live emergency care cas after that was rare, pretty much limited to the odd RTA in Bosnia and Kosovo, might get a bit more action in the sandpit these days but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Do yourself a favour, stay a civvie and go for the paramedic course once your diploma has finished.
 
#19
Scholesy said:
STAN, you are out of date. PM me to arrange to come and visit the place where I work and it will confirm what I have posted.
Thanks for the offer!! however I may well be seeing it for myself very soon due to certain Defence projects I will hopefully be working on, so I will be looking on with interest.

You may be lucky and have a good posting with a good training setup, if so, fair play and enjoy, I will however reserve judgement until I hear it from the majority.

Don't get me wrong I would be more than happy for the Corps to get a grip and fire some good quality training at the CMT cadre as it the most under valued and over abused CEG in the AMS, it has been needed for sometime and has not been provided, I hope this time it happens and is sustained, this will no doubt have a knock on effect with recruitment and retention which can only be a good thing, as the workplace out here is generally good and attracting individuals to a life in green kit is I would think quite difficult.
 

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