Posthumously awarded Bronze Stars......

Discussion in 'Multinational HQ' started by bigjarofwasps, Sep 17, 2006.

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  1. Hi Guys,

    I read on the internet that Sgt Wallace & Spec Wendling of the 2/127th have both been awarded the Bronze Star, posthumously. Is this common practice or would they have been awarded it for a Specific act prior to their deaths? I`m aware of the criteria for the award of the Purple Heart, but am a little confused as to the criteria for the Bronze Star.

    Their awards are as follows........

    Sergeant Wallace’s awards and decorations include The Bronze Star, The Purple Heart, The Good Conduct Medal, The Army Reserve Components Achievement Medal, The National Defense Service Medal, The Iraqi Campaign Medal, The Army Service Ribbon, The Combat Infantry Badge The Air Assault Badge, and five awards of the Wisconsin Wright Medal.

    Specialist Wendling’s awards include The Bronze Star, The Purple Heart Medal, The National Defense Service Medal, The Iraqi Campaign Medal, The Global War on Terrorism Service Medal, The Army Service Ribbon The Combat Infantry Badge and two awards of the Wisconsin Wright Medal.

    Is it likely that they were awarded the BS, PH & CIB all for the same incident?


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  2. Hmm. This is a Brit Army website. Why not ask a septic one? Frankly, they hand out their medals like smarties (M&Ms) so getting blinged up on the clinkers for one deed is not outside the realms of possibility. :D
  3. "so getting blinged up on the clinkers for one deed is not outside the realms of possibility".............QUALITY!!!!!!!!!!!
  4. It's Possible, from observation in the 3rd ID & 1Cav in 2004-2005, Bronze Star medal's are Awarded to KIA's for Meritorious Actions.

    The BSM can be awarded for both Merit & Valour. "V" awards are Rarer, as most lower ranking Enlisted will be awarded an ARCOM (Army Commendation Medal with "V", where the Senior NCO/Officer will get the BSM.

    To explain how the awards are typically given, an example;

    A Medic in my Regiment was a rear dismount in a HMMV which rode over a 250lb aircraft bomb in the road. The Driver & Commander were Killed almost outright, taking several minutes to bleed out. The Gunner thrown 30m away, breaking both arms & legs, severe concussion, neck injuries, schrapnel, etc. The rear dismount had broken legs, schrapnel injuries, blast injuries, etc.

    The medic had both legs broken, Schrapnel in his right eye, neck, arm & blast injuries. He crawled to the others, triaging them saving the gunner who was choking on his tongue. He used the dead commanders radio, still on the Sgt's vest to call in help, while mostly blinded found an M4 to provide security & was performing CPR on the Sgt. when the QRF showed up. he had not applied any first aid to himself until the QRF arrived. The Bn. Cdr. put the Medic in for a DSC which wound up downgraded to a Bronze Star with "V". Link;
  5. It also seems to be the "Multinational HQ Forum" & since Bronze Star medals have in the past been awarded to Canadian Soldiers, & British Soldiers for their Valour whist Serving alongside "Septic" forces it may be of interest to others.

  6. !!!!!!!!!!!Strueth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I assume that the dead guys got the BSM too!!!!

    I also assume if this medic had been doing all this whilst being engaged by the enemy he would have got the higher award?

  7. Cheers Linedoggie!!!!!!!!
  8. Trip_Wire

    Trip_Wire RIP

    I agree with you on this LineDoggie!

    BTW: The Combat Infantry Badge is not a Valor award and wouldn't be awarded on the basis of the one incident normally. The Bronze Star with or without, the Valor device and Purple Heart could be.


    Awarded for: "[P]ersonally present and under hostile fire while serving in an assigned infantry or special forces primary duty, in a unit actively engaged in ground combat with the enemy."
  9. These days CIBs, CMBs and CABs are being awarded for single incidents. Indeed, I've seen them awarded for incidents when they shouldn't be.

    As for the OP, by and large all KIAs are receiving BSMs and a promotion. The BSM is a non-V one, and so shouldn't be compared with a valour award. The promotion basically is to help out with the benefits to the next of kin, which are rank-based.

  10. :D

    On a serious note - I still think that a lot of the Brit members of this site haven't worked out the difference between the Yank medals and ribbons.

    US Medals are pretty much the same as ours (gallantry, service etc). US Ribbons however, seem to represent the history and qualifications of the wearer (you get one for passing boot camp, having served in the Navy before you joined the Army, one for having serve in the GWAT in any way shape or form).

    Seppos, feel free to correct me if this is wrong.

    Gingwarr - OSM (Afghanistan) 2003, still waiting....
  11. Any promotion can be back-dated six months without going through any hoops or raising DFAS's ire. That's a few thousand dollars when going from O-2 to O-3, for example, and the backpay is automatic.

    In fairness, I've not seen the effective date of rank on the KIAs, however.

  12. You are pretty much on the money. Some of the service awards are medals, such as those for campaigns. Usually the ribbons are more for training, such as NCO Professional Development or Reserve Component Overseas Training Ribbon. As a result, when wearing full medals in Blues, the campaign awards are still worn, but the training awards aren't.

  13. Trip_Wire

    Trip_Wire RIP


    Anyone that is interested in the various medals and ribbons can see them on this website. As stated on here most training awards take the form of a ribbon not a medal. The US Air Force seems to lead the pack with training type ribbons.

  14. Any examples spring to mind?
  15. I know that the american "pyramid of honour" dates back to the civil war when the purple heart was a piece of cloth, purple in a heart shape.

    Also, over the years the medals and awards system has changed, similiar to ours with additions and so on and so forth.

    In all fairness, the american system rewards hard working soldiers and to us, who in 22+ can look at anything between 1 and 12 or 14 awards, the 14 been the most I have seen a "normal" soldier run around with.

    There is nothing wrong with been awarded a device, medal for whatever reason if that's the way you, or any other country, goes doing their business.