Posthumous award for troops killed on operations

oldbaldy

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#1
British troops killed on operations or in terrorist attacks are to be decorated with a posthumous award, the Ministry of Defence will announce today.

The honour, approved by The Queen and set out in a written statement to MPs by Defence Secretary Des Browne, could be worn by relatives of the dead armed forces personnel and will be accompanied by a scroll.

More than 300 MPs had signed a Commons motion for the recognition of military sacrifices - more than any other issue.

It could take the form of a silver cross, as in some Commonwealth countries, and could be awarded retrospectively to the families of those killed in previous conflicts.

Colonel Richard Kemp, the former head of British forces in Afghanistan who founded the campaign, championed by the Daily Mirror: "I strongly welcome the decision by the Ministry of Defence to award a personal symbol of recognition to the next of kin of our servicemen and women killed on operations.

"They have made the supreme sacrifice in defence of their country and it is right that this should be recognised in a form that will not only provide some shred of comfort to their grieving families but can also be proudly handed down to future generations."

He paid tribute to the Rita Restorick, mother of Lance Bombardier Stephen Restorick, the last soldier killed by the IRA in that campaign.

"Rita has battled ceaselessly for many years for an award of this type to honour the memory of her son and the many others killed on operations," he said.

"Uppermost in our minds today are the families of those killed in Afghanistan and Iraq. But we must not forget the many servicemen and women killed in other theatres, including during the 30-year campaign in Northern Ireland."

But he said he was "deeply disappointed" the recognition would not be extended to the seriously wounded.

"Those who have lost limbs, been blinded or horrifically burnt, or sustained other appalling injuries also deserve recognition for their extraordinary sacrifices."

Telegraph

How far back do they go?
Northern Ireland?
Falklands?
Oman?
Malaya?
Cyprus (Eoka)
Suez?
WW2?
North West Frontier?
Waterloo?
 
#3
oldbaldy said:
How far back do they go?
Northern Ireland?
Falklands?
Oman?
Malaya?
Cyprus (Eoka)
Suez?
WW2?
North West Frontier?
Waterloo?
Hastings?
Caer Caradoc?

Perhaps backdating it would be a bad idea. Someone is going to be agrieved. Or maybe make it only applicable to ongoing conflicts, possibly make it available to only living parents/spouses/children.
 

Biped

LE
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#4
"The Government thanks you for your sacrifice"

I'm sure words such as these have been used in the past. What does a 20p piece of metal shaped into some form of 'award' do for the families who'd much rather their sons had better equipment and were still alive?

The cynicism of this latest Zanu NL stunt makes me feel somewhat nauseous.
 
#5
squiffy_parsons said:
ZANU liebour spin, yet more crap that does not address the real lack of support the Forces get from this inept communist Government.
And more to the point a cynical repeat of something used during and after the Great War:
 

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#6
Yes, the "Dead Man's Penny"...I think the award should be something for display, rather than for wearing...
 
#7
It just annoys me that the NL answer to everthing seems to be a quick look in the history books.
 
#8
squiffy_parsons said:
ZANU liebour spin, yet more crap that does not address the real lack of support the Forces get from this inept communist Government.
You don't need to be cynical to agree with that.
 
#9
western said:
It just annoys me that the NL answer to everthing seems to be a quick look in the history books.
The same history books that they want to prune anything out of that may not be in the vision of the leader, who ever that is now
 
#10
Perturbed said:
oldbaldy said:
How far back do they go?
Northern Ireland?
Falklands?
Oman?
Malaya?
Cyprus (Eoka)
Suez?
WW2?
North West Frontier?
Waterloo?
Hastings?
Caer Caradoc?

Perhaps backdating it would be a bad idea. Someone is going to be agrieved. Or maybe make it only applicable to ongoing conflicts, possibly make it available to only living parents/spouses/children.
Can only be back to 1997, remember that in accordance with Zanu-Liarbore policy nothing happened before that date. Anymore references to battles before that date will result in a period of re-education for the poster.
 
#11
I read elsewhere that the scrolls were previously issued up to and including Korea.

I look forward to the day when mine can be displayed alongside my grandfathers.......
 
#12
GreenSlime said:
I read elsewhere that the scrolls were previously issued up to and including Korea.

I look forward to the day when mine can be displayed alongside my grandfathers.......
Let's get this right, your ambition is to get killed?
 

Biped

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Book Reviewer
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rebel_with_a_cause said:
Perturbed said:
oldbaldy said:
How far back do they go?
Northern Ireland?
Falklands?
Oman?
Malaya?
Cyprus (Eoka)
Suez?
WW2?
North West Frontier?
Waterloo?
Hastings?
Caer Caradoc?

Perhaps backdating it would be a bad idea. Someone is going to be agrieved. Or maybe make it only applicable to ongoing conflicts, possibly make it available to only living parents/spouses/children.
Can only be back to 1997, remember that in accordance with Zanu-Liarbore policy nothing happened before that date. Anymore references to battles before that date will result in a period of re-education for the poster.
Indeed. There is no history other that which the Dear Leader has created for the good of the people. Before that, there was only corruption and wilderness.

Apart from that: Here's a better idea:

For those that earn gallantry medals, why not also give them a stonking great tax-free cash bonus as a gesture of thanks?

For those KIA, whether medal earners or not, why not give their families a stonking great big tax-free cash payout to help them out? I'm sure that an envelope full of money from the insurers, plus a shiny medal PLUS a gobment payout will go a lot further than a 'thank you' note and bit of brass.
 
#14
MOD has now officially announced plans for a new form of national recognition to honour the families of troops who die on operations or as a result of terrorism.

"Detailed consideration will now be given to the design and production of the scroll and emblem. The views of loved ones will be considered as a part of this process. Further details will be announced later this year."
 
#15
hackle said:
"Detailed consideration will now be given to the design and production of the scroll and emblem. The views of loved ones will be considered as a part of this process. Further details will be announced later this year."
So a couple of million quid for a study, lots of consultants and liaison visits to come up with exactly what was issued 80 years ago? Following which there will be a twenty year backlog because the Army Medals Office can't keep up and there will not be a central list of casualties specifically set up for the purpose.
 
#16
western said:
GreenSlime said:
I look forward to the day when mine can be displayed alongside my grandfathers.......
Let's get this right, your ambition is to get killed?
You may want to rethink your ultimate aim, as death in combat can be a long drawn out and very painful way of getting a medal that you wont see.

Aim high, how about seeing your children grow up and have children, see Blair indicted for war crimes and executed live on TV etc....

But if it is your wish you may need to rethink about being TA, join the Regs and youll probably do more tours and increase the chance of your ultimate ambition actually happening.
 
#17
doesn't seem an 'award' really....not sure anyone would want it.

BBC says that they had them in Korea aswell so it presumably won't be backdated further than then end of that war.
 
#18
Generalissimo said:
doesn't seem an 'award' really....not sure anyone would want it.
Greenslime does!
 
#20
The glorious death in battle is a notion easily abused, especially by arm-chair poets: dulce et decorum est pro patria mori

As an Operating Department Practitioner (surgical teams) in the RAMC with the experience a fair few combat deaths while on deployment I can tell you now that neither gunshot nor blast wounds arent an experience that you would want to be on the receiving end of.
 

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