Posted this in the medals forum, but as its TA experience I'm looking for

#1
A slightly strange but very probable issue some may of came across ref QGJM

Ok this question is in fact about the QDJM not QGJM, but usng the qualifing critetia I wondered if anyone has seen anything similar.

The issue is this, come 6 Feb 2012 I will have been a signed up member of the TA for 5yrs, however as I joined after April I haven't have received by 5yr bounty, so according to the criteria I will have 4 annual bounty earning training years. However I was a regular soldier for 12yrs prior to joining th TA, but there was a 6 yr gap between leaving the regs and joining the TA.

Nowreading the criteria for the QGJM it says

"The total of five annual bounty earning training years may be aggregated but non-bounty earning training years or broken service will not count. However, there is no limit on the amount of non-bounty earning training years or broken service as long as the correct overall total of five annual bounty earning training years is fully accounted for"

Now my question is would any of my previous regular service be taken into count ? I remember reading that up to 2 1/2 years of reg service could be taken over towards qualification of the VRSM, however when I joined up I was told there was too long a gap between leavng the regs and joining the TA for that to count.

So am I screwed for recognition of service over paerwork, or has the clerks got it wrong ?

Cheers

PS yes I know its a chocolate medal, yes I know its bling but its a pain standing in the mess with the same amount of gongage as most but most of theres is time served.
 
#3
As MSR would say "ask your PSI" or as Bravo Bravo would say "steal his medals" :)
 
#4
Don't think the PSI was in long enough to qualify last time round, fricking nig
 
#5
Similar question, how does mobilised service work in the equation?
 
#6
Simple answer: No decision has yet been made as to whether the criteria will be the same as for the QGJM.

(edited due to being a mong)
 
#7
Good point, premature as usual.
 
#11
Right on the VRSM thing - over three year break and the clock gets reset. However, the QGJM was a different kettle of ball games and as I understand it service in any of the qualifying services get aggregated regardless of any breaks/gaps.

So if the criteria for the QDJM are along the same lines as the QGJM I would say that you're quids in - unless of course you don't get an efficiency certificate this year.

Q
 
#12
Polar69 see the link in post #9.

Wellyhead did you read the bit that said "...and an announcement will be made shortly."?
 
#13
Similar question, how does mobilised service work in the equation?
It is irrelevant for this issue as opposed to the Efficiency Medal/Decoration.*






*Yes, I know it isn't called that anymore. I simply chose to ignore the issue.
 
#15
Since I never got my Golden Jubbly medal (Im not bitter honest) I would like this one, it would complement my "Battle of Sennybridge " medal perfectly.
 
#16
Polar69 see the link in post #9.

Wellyhead did you read the bit that said "...and an announcement will be made shortly."?
Yes but time spent in recce is seldom wasted

I learnt a long time ago that most office dwellers are lazy shiites (less the wonderful ones on arrse of course) and I have had to do all the research myself on other occasions, I'm just preparing myself for the "Computer says no" moment
 
#17
Right on the VRSM thing - over three year break and the clock gets reset. .

Q
Thats what I was told, but just, "ooh too long"

What I would like to know is where the actual document that states this is, looking at JSP 761 there doesn't seem to be anything at all about previous service, but what it does say is that you can leave the regs and rejoin and continue service towards the LS&GC,

5. A break in service (note, not a break in conduct) that is not due to dismissal, sentence of imprisonment, or other misconduct, will not be considered as breaking the continuity of VG and CC-free/Irreproachable/Exemplary service but time spent outside the Service will not count towards the length of service qualifying criterion.
The thing is going to the medals website its does say the following

Up to 5 years former regular service may count as half qualifying time, giving a maximum of 2 and a half years eligible service. Complex regulations apply to the use of former service and periods of Full Time Regular Service (FTRS) and Non Permanent Regular Service (NPRS) as qualifying time towards the VRSM and the regulations should therefore be studied in detail. Complex regulations also apply to the transition between the former separate service reserve medals and the VRSM.
and states to check this on DCI JS 53/99

ANybody got a copy perchance ? Can't find it on Armynet
 
#18
ANybody got a copy perchance ? Can't find it on Armynet
Do a search on "TA Regs" on Armynet and then search for VRSM within those.

Here is the relevant extract:
Continuity of Service
10. The following, though not counted as qualifying service for the VRSM or Clasps, will not be considered a break in the continuity of service required by paras 5b and 6a:
a. Periods not exceeding 3 years between service in one of the forces listed at para 5a and another such Service.
b. Periods not exceeding 3 years between service in authorized auxiliary forces of the Commonwealth and the forces listed in para 5a. The period may be extended when the initial non-existence of an auxiliary force prevents the individual joining such a force. However, an extension shall in no cases be for more than 6 months after facilities for joining such a force become available.
c. Service in the regular reserves of the Royal Navy, Royal Marines, Army or Royal Air Force immediately following discharge or transfer from one of the forces listed at para 5a if such service is by virtue of a previous liability for reserve service.
d. Service in the regular reserves of an Armed Service of the Commonwealth if it immediately follows discharge or transfer from one of the forces listed at para 5a or an authorized auxiliary force of the Commonwealth, and is by virtue of a previous liability for reserve service.
e. Any year to a maximum of 3 consecutive years in which an individual fails to complete his full obligatory training commitment as laid down in paras 5c and 6b.
f. A period not exceeding 3 years between leaving the Regular Forces and formally applying to join the Reserve Forces listed at para 5a.
g. Any service which has been counted towards another award for long service in either the Regular Forces, the Reserve Forces or the Cadet Forces.
h. Any service which is given solely to the Cadet Forces. Such service may reckon instead towards the award of the Cadet Forces Medal.
i. Any formally authorized break in service or leave of absence of up to 3 years taken for personal or business reasons.
 
#20
Feck me.

For QGJM - you had to be in just about anything (army, RNR, cadets, fire service etc) on the qualifying day, and have had 5 years service behind you. If that service was in the 1960's, then it counted. Even if you had been in the TA for 3 years and the police for 3 years (and at the same time) then it counted.
 
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