Post Brexit Free Trade Deal With USA.

Displaying a distinct lack of knowledge about reality there.

5G is not an issue, it's just the USA flexing it's muscle for economy reasons.
Iran is more complicated than the US position makes out.
Digital sales tax? Are you saying we can't levy taxes on money made by our citizens? The USA might like to consider the way it taxes it's own citizens abroad...
Agriculture? You can force substandard goods on us, but they are unlikely to be bougth by the British consumer.
NHS? Not a hope on hell. You can bid for supply contracts on the same terms as others.
You have already made my points for me. So why would the United States sign any trade agreement with the UK? You are going to either learn to pick your battles and negotiate as an "Independent" nation or learn to eat crow.
 
You have already made my points for me. So why would the United States sign any trade agreement with the UK? You are going to either learn to pick your battles and negotiate as an "Independent" nation or learn to eat crow.
Because a trade agreement covers actual trade, not political points.
 
Because a trade agreement covers actual trade, not political points.
Everything is connected.


We will negotiate based on our best interests just like you will with yours. But you ain't gonna get a free ride. The difference is Bojo needs some sort of deal rather quickly but is only holding a pair of 5's....
 
What, exactly, does the banning of, and non-government non-critical use exceptions for, Chinese equipment have to do with a US-UK Trade agreement?
It has to do with a certain poster trying to find a reason, any reason, why Brexit is a bad idea and must be reversed (despite now saying that he's secretly been a Eurosceptic all along). The latest reason seems to be that the UK not completely banning Huawei kit altogether is an absolute deal breaker for the US, while other posters are saying it isn't.

In other words, one of the usual suspects posted the usual rubbish and then ran away instead of defending his point, while others are pointing out that he posted rubbish.
 
It has to do with a certain poster trying to find a reason, any reason, why Brexit is a bad idea and must be reversed (despite now saying that he's secretly been a Eurosceptic all along). The latest reason seems to be that the UK not completely banning Huawei kit altogether is an absolute deal breaker for the US, while other posters are saying it isn't.

In other words, one of the usual suspects posted the usual rubbish and then ran away instead of defending his point, while others are pointing out that he posted rubbish.
Try again Terminal. But thank you for keeping it at less than a thousand words this time.
 
Everything is connected.


We will negotiate based on our best interests just like you will with yours. But you ain't gonna get a free ride. The difference is Bojo needs some sort of deal rather quickly but is only holding a pair of 5's....
We need no such thing. No deal is no difference, we already deal mutually successfully on WTO terms. If as likely there is no deal with the EU there is a huge opportunity to replace EU supply for those who get mutually beneficial trade deals done fast. If that includes the US then great, if they choose to be cnuts over interfering in sovereign decisions then others get the trade. No biggy either way.
 
We need no such thing. No deal is no difference, we already deal mutually successfully on WTO terms. If as likely there is no deal with the EU there is a huge opportunity to replace EU supply for those who get mutually beneficial trade deals done fast. If that includes the US then great, if they choose to be cnuts over interfering in sovereign decisions then others get the trade. No biggy either way.
We shall find out...


 

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It has to do with a certain poster trying to find a reason, any reason, why Brexit is a bad idea and must be reversed (despite now saying that he's secretly been a Eurosceptic all along). The latest reason seems to be that the UK not completely banning Huawei kit altogether is an absolute deal breaker for the US, while other posters are saying it isn't.

In other words, one of the usual suspects posted the usual rubbish and then ran away instead of defending his point, while others are pointing out that he posted rubbish.
Succinct, erudite and bang on the money.
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

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Not from that garbage you won't.
Only time will tell Hoss. But the UK is going to have to open up it's agricultural sector and the NHS if it wants to play ball. The Red hats and the Pharmaceutical industry are a priority here. So prepare to accept chlorinated chicken and to pay a bit more for your pills.
 
Only time will tell Hoss. But the UK is going to have to open up it's agricultural sector and the NHS if it wants to play ball. The Red hats and the Pharmaceutical industry are a priority here. So prepare to accept chlorinated chicken and to pay a bit more for your pills.
Like I said Jonesy if we get no deal with you chaps nothing changes. Step in windmilling and you'll just get looked at like you're wierd until you send someone polite. Meantime RoW can hoover up formerly EU contracts and once those deals are in place they are hard to displace.

No deal with the EU will be the biggest commercial opportunity in decades on all sides that play ball with the UK. The US would be crazy to miss out.
 
Like I said Jonesy if we get no deal with you chaps nothing changes. Step in windmilling and you'll just get looked at like you're wierd until you send someone polite. Meantime RoW can hoover up formerly EU contracts and once those deals are in place they are hard to displace.

No deal with the EU will be the biggest commercial opportunity in decades on all sides that play ball with the UK. The US would be crazy to miss out.
Like I have said, you don't want to negotiate. If you want more access to American markets and to retain your auto industry you are going to have to bring bargaining chips to the table. The United States is not going to shower you with money for kicks and giggles.
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
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Only time will tell Hoss. But the UK is going to have to open up it's agricultural sector and the NHS if it wants to play ball. The Red hats and the Pharmaceutical industry are a priority here. So prepare to accept chlorinated chicken and to pay a bit more for your pills.
The US wants to detach the UK from the European Bloc - it's not happening if a UK politician has to put themselves on the wrong side of the NHS argument to make it so. It's a fundamental of British politics and it's as simple as that.
 
The US wants to detach the UK from the European Bloc - it's not happening if a UK politician has to put themselves on the wrong side of the NHS argument to make it so. It's a fundamental of British politics and it's as simple as that.
Didn't you already detach yourselves from Europe??

The US has it's own interests, you know America First etc, etc. Opening up your markets to our companies is a given. Being protectionist on certain sectors will not create the desire to sign any sort of deal with you. IN fact it makes you folks look rather xenophobic and scared. "Chlorinated chicken and food safety standards" are an excuse. Farmers vote for Trump so he will ensure their interests are included in any sort of deal. So you either thumb your nose at them or embrace change. But they vote, and they are reliable conservatives and will be more than willing to lobby their elected representatives to give you the one finger salute if you try to exclude their products.
 

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Like I have said, you don't want to negotiate. If you want more access to American markets and to retain your auto industry you are going to have to bring bargaining chips to the table. The United States is not going to shower you with money for kicks and giggles.
@Steamboat who are you really?
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
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Didn't you already detach yourselves from Europe??

The US has it's own interests, you know America First etc, etc. Opening up your markets to our companies is a given. Being protectionist on certain sectors will not create the desire to sign any sort of deal with you. IN fact it makes you folks look rather xenophobic and scared. "Chlorinated chicken and food safety standards" are an excuse. Farmers vote for Trump so he will ensure their interests are included in any sort of deal. So you either thumb your nose at them or embrace change. But they vote, and they are reliable conservatives and will be more than willing to lobby their elected representatives to give you the one finger salute if you try to exclude their products.
No, we left the European Union. It will not be replaced by a similar union with the US therefore the political debate for the UK going forward will oscillate between closer alignment to US interests and closer alignment to European interests. We can either be America's barbican or Europe's redoubt and, given that the UK Establishment is largely Euro-centric, you're going to have to throw Boris a bone if you wish to prevail.
 
No, we left the European Union. It will not be replaced by a similar union with the US therefore the political debate for the UK going forward will oscillate between closer alignment to US interests and closer alignment to European interests. We can either be America's barbican or Europe's redoubt and, given that the UK Establishment is largely Euro-centric, you're going to have to throw Boris a bone if you wish to prevail.
Or option C.
Promote the Aussies, and focus on the Pacific.
 

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