Post Brexit Free Trade Deal With USA.

Heard that yesterday, must admit I was surprised.
Im not sure what the fuss was. Its network segregation based on security criteria - hardly a new concept. Red network - classified no Huawei, Green network unclas -anybody.
 
Im not sure what the fuss was. Its network segregation based on security criteria - hardly a new concept. Red network - classified no Huawei, Green network unclas -anybody.
American carriers in rural areas, aka deepest Trumpistan, use a fair bit of Huawei kit because their antenna kit is much more effective than the alternatives in areas with a low density of subscribers. As a result carriers in these areas of the US have been given an exemption to continue to buy and use Huawei kit through a series of rolling exemptions.
 
I see the usual technical literates are hitting the dumb button.
The 5 Eyes will not be betting the farm on 5G, they have their eyes on their own bespoke ground up secure 6G future - And the race is on.
 
I see the all-knowing, all-seeing expert has been at the Google again and is now telling us that 5G doesn't matter because 6G, which won't exist until some time in the 2030s, is the answer. There's no reason of course to think that Huawei, who have already started R&D for 6G, won't be the leaders in 6G as well. That may especially be the case as 6G is expected to simply be an enhanced version of 5G.

There seems to be two sides to the Huawei 5G argument. There's the politicians on one side who hyperventilate over the issue, and there's the engineers who actually design phone systems on the other saying "WTF are you talking about?" I suspect the latter group may be somewhat better informed on the issue.

Anybody who has been negotiating trade with the the US over the past couple of years has seen them play the "national security" card on all sorts of products such as steel, aluminum, and cars. Nobody believes them.
 
I see the all-knowing, all-seeing expert has been at the Google again and is now telling us that 5G doesn't matter because 6G, which won't exist until some time in the 2030s, is the answer. There's no reason of course to think that Huawei, who have already started R&D for 6G, won't be the leaders in 6G as well. That may especially be the case as 6G is expected to simply be an enhanced version of 5G.

There seems to be two sides to the Huawei 5G argument. There's the politicians on one side who hyperventilate over the issue, and there's the engineers who actually design phone systems on the other saying "WTF are you talking about?" I suspect the latter group may be somewhat better informed on the issue.

Anybody who has been negotiating trade with the the US over the past couple of years has seen them play the "national security" card on all sorts of products such as steel, aluminum, and cars. Nobody believes them.
well smarty kecks, it’s not as if the US are fast out Of the blocks setting standards for 6G to give them a technical advantage by hindering China, is it.... perish the thought,

6G is just an enhanced 5G? Oh dear......
 
American carriers in rural areas, aka deepest Trumpistan, use a fair bit of Huawei kit because their antenna kit is much more effective than the alternatives in areas with a low density of subscribers. As a result carriers in these areas of the US have been given an exemption to continue to buy and use Huawei kit through a series of rolling exemptions.
Trump supporters given an exemption to insulate them from the effects of policies they're the cheerleaders for?

That swamp's looking mighty drained...
 
American carriers in rural areas, aka deepest Trumpistan, use a fair bit of Huawei kit because their antenna kit is much more effective than the alternatives in areas with a low density of subscribers. As a result carriers in these areas of the US have been given an exemption to continue to buy and use Huawei kit through a series of rolling exemptions.
Source?
 
Here's another:
Huawei has still managed to get some telecommunication equipment in the US, though, particularly thanks to rural carriers in states like Wyoming and Oregon. A coalition of these smaller carriers, the Rural Wireless Association, estimates that replacing Huawei and ZTE equipment could cost its members up to a billion dollars.

“There are enough problems with telephone service in the rural communities—we don’t want to knock them out," Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross told Fox Business Network on Friday. "So, one of the main purposes of the temporary general licenses is to let those rural guys continue to operate.”
 
Everyone is making out that everything sent over Huawei kit will be instantly readable by the Chinese. I am pretty sure your average modem specialist will be able to tell what is/or is not in the kit.

If Janice Dobson in Kentucky tells her son Mohammed, who is in Afghanistan that her peaches have just ripened, who gives a fcuk who hears it.
 
Here's one example
Here's another:
4000 pieces of equipment? Hardly a ‘fair bit’ - still, it should all be used to test the backdoors and binned.
 
4000 pieces of equipment? Hardly a ‘fair bit’ - still, it should all be used to test the backdoors and binned.
The problem is thst you can’t ban all of their kit, without hurting many residents in rural communities without giving vendors time to replace equipment. It is an expensive process so what is here already must be serviced until it is gradually replaced.
 

Anonymous Yank

On ROPS
On ROPs
What, exactly, does the banning of, and non-government non-critical use exceptions for, Chinese equipment have to do with a US-UK Trade agreement?
 
What, exactly, does the banning of, and non-government non-critical use exceptions for, Chinese equipment have to do with a US-UK Trade agreement?
Congress has to pass any agreement that the Trump admin agrees to. Just like the USMCA agreement, anything with the UK will be voted on.

With the current state of affairs and the recent choices made by the UK they are not exactly making some people very happy. So why would they be in a hurry to approve any sort of deal when the current arrangement works out decently enough?

All of these choices are connected, and nobody is going to dangle a carrot out to a nation that continues to be a pain in the backside.

Not only is 5G an issue, but you also have Iran and the digital sales tax. The UK also has to be willing to put agriculture and parts of the NHS on the table. If you are not going to really negotiate it will be a waste of time.
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

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The UK really is now a collective bitch to so many countries, now that it's out. Grovelling and haggling for deals.
Have you made an unbreakable vow never to post anything even remotely informed or useful on Arrse?
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
Book Reviewer
Everyone is making out that everything sent over Huawei kit will be instantly readable by the Chinese. I am pretty sure your average modem specialist will be able to tell what is/or is not in the kit.

If Janice Dobson in Kentucky tells her son Mohammed, who is in Afghanistan that her peaches have just ripened, who gives a fcuk who hears it.
I hope that such an enigmatic pronouncement would spark a full scale alert:

 
Not only is 5G an issue, but you also have Iran and the digital sales tax. The UK also has to be willing to put agriculture and parts of the NHS on the table. If you are not going to really negotiate it will be a waste of time.
Displaying a distinct lack of knowledge about reality there.

5G is not an issue, it's just the USA flexing it's muscle for economy reasons.
Iran is more complicated than the US position makes out.
Digital sales tax? Are you saying we can't levy taxes on money made by our citizens? The USA might like to consider the way it taxes it's own citizens abroad...
Agriculture? You can force substandard goods on us, but they are unlikely to be bougth by the British consumer.
NHS? Not a hope on hell. You can bid for supply contracts on the same terms as others.
 

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