Possible Venezuelan Civil War on the way?

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"Venezuela's Supreme Court has been attacked by grenades dropped from a helicopter in what President Nicolás Maduro called a "terrorist attack".

The police officer said to have piloted the stolen aircraft issued a statement denouncing the "criminal government". His whereabouts are unknown."

Helicopter circles Caracas before gunshots and bang - BBC News

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It's been kicking off in Venezuela for awhile with massive food and medical shortages along with other things.

But are we seeing an escalation in the unrest and will it spill out into open conflict between the security forces and rebels?

Also possible coup at Venezuela Hall
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Only surprising it has taken so long.
Looks a bit half baked though, so might just be one angry copper and his mates. So far. These things have a habit of blowing up out of isolated events.
 
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And that is what Comrade Corbyn wants to happen to the uk, poverty and food shortages leading to civil unrest caused by socialism
The bar is set high for socialist leaders.

It's not easy when you're trying to elbow the likes of Stalin, Pol Pot or Mao Zedong out of way.

And they are just the old guard.
 
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AlienFTM

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No, I've been told it's 'the wrong type of socialism', apparently.

Because another type would fare so much better.
Oh if only there were someone on site who could explain the difference between right and wrong sorts of socialism.
 

AlienFTM

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Correct. It is.

That's because every other time socialism was tried it wasn't done right.

Now it's perfect.

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Thanks Hugo Chavez for showing that the poor matter and wealth can be shared. He made massive contributions to Venezuela & a very wide world


I'm reminded of the old chestnut about a surgeon discussing an operation.

The operation was a success, but the patient died.
 
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No, this isn't a parody. Get this out there on social media.
 
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I thought Venezuela was a socialist utopia with equal wealth for all?
AIUI, OPEC dropped the price of oil in order to punish oil exploration (the notoriously expensive leading edge) by nations that didn't belong to the cartel. Since Venezuela's economy was pretty much based on oil export, the arse dropped out of their world and they became 'collateral damage'.

Of course, I could be oversimplifying things but I think that's the general drift.
 
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Depending entirely on wealth from oil to fund extravagant plans? That sounds vaguely familiar.

Didn't Venezuela make some cocky donation of aid to the US & elsewhere a couple of years back?

Hope they continue to make my favourite Cacique rum.
 
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AIUI, OPEC dropped the price of oil in order to punish oil exploration (the notoriously expensive leading edge) by nations that didn't belong to the cartel. Since Venezuela's economy was pretty much based on oil export, the arse dropped out of their world and they became 'collateral damage'.

Of course, I could be oversimplifying things but I think that's the general drift.
Not quite the whole story. The main factor is that almost the entire country, including their oil refineries, is dependent on electricity generated by a single hydro scheme. Unfortunately this single point of failure was highlighted by an unprecedented drought, meaning that the refineries couldn't produce enough to make up the shortfall caused by the aforementioned fall in oil prices.
This resulted in a currency crisis, which further exacerbated the problem, as due to Orinoco Belt oil being extremely heavy, light oil must be imported to enable the refining process. This means that even when the electricity supply issues are resolved, they still can't refine much oil.
Planned economies are a bit of a laugh if no one knows how to plan.
 
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Not quite the whole story. The main factor is that almost the entire country, including their oil refineries, is dependent on electricity generated by a single hydro scheme. Unfortunately this single point of failure was highlighted by an unprecedented drought, meaning that the refineries couldn't produce enough to make up the shortfall caused by the aforementioned fall in oil prices.
This resulted in a currency crisis, which further exacerbated the problem, as due to Orinoco Belt oil being extremely heavy, light oil must be imported to enable the refining process. This means that even when the electricity supply issues are resolved, they still can't refine much oil.
Planned economies are a bit of a laugh if no one knows how to plan.
Cheers @lastwalt. Suspected there was likely to be more to it than just oil prices.
 
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It didn't help that instead of trying to get some diversification going, they nationalised (stole) a lot of foreign owned businesses, imposed price controls (fuelling a runaway black market), printed money (hyperinflation) and blamed it all on the Yanquis.
It's all an Evil Capitalist Conspiracy, and not at all their own fault...
 
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And that is what Comrade Corbyn wants to happen to the uk, poverty and food shortages leading to civil unrest caused by socialism
Well something needs to be done about the obesity crisis, starve us and make us do exercise by joining in the civil unrest. See, JC does have the well being of the country at heart :)
 

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