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Portsmouth News: RN Officer Makes History After Being Named Top Naval Student On Germany's Most Prestigious Course

Bubbles_Barker

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Book Reviewer
Yup - but the RN isn't big enough to sustain three different branches.

Interestingly though, we've a fairly good strike rate of Loggies at 1*, across all 3 "streams".
I get that (and neither is the RAF) - but those 1*s will be frustrated when the very few 2* loggie posts come up and they have to compete with not just the Army and RAF but also the RM (!) and CS, and.....outsiders...and they'll then leave.

Hence, QMG has only been a logistician once (Jaquesy and Kevin don't count as they were REME and RE respectively), that was Paul Travers (RCT) back in the early 80s and such a departure the shock killed him.

I'm assuming that now that DG Land is an ex-RAF engineer that we can look forward to a Trog becoming DG Air?

Somehow I doubt it but until these utterly false barriers are smashed on the basis of merit then we'll be condemned to sub-optimal support solutions.
 
I get that (and neither is the RAF) - but those 1*s will be frustrated when the very few 2* loggie posts come up and they have to compete with not just the Army and RAF but also the RM (!) and CS, and.....outsiders...and they'll then leave.

Hence, QMG has only been a logistician once (Jaquesy and Kevin don't count as they were REME and RE respectively), that was Paul Travers (RCT) back in the early 80s and such a departure the shock killed him.

I'm assuming that now that DG Land is an ex-RAF engineer that we can look forward to a Trog becoming DG Air?

Somehow I doubt it but until these utterly false barriers are smashed on the basis of merit then we'll be condemned to sub-optimal support solutions.

But isn't that true of all Branches - the step from 1* to 2* is huge, and very few make it.
 

Bubbles_Barker

LE
Book Reviewer
But isn't that true of all Branches - the step from 1* to 2* is huge, and very few make it.
Really? The step is huge - but there are more opportunities for some than others. Hence the fact that an Army Logistician has only once been QMG in over 300 years.
 
Really? The step is huge - but there are more opportunities for some than others. Hence the fact that an Army Logistician has only once been QMG in over 300 years.
Is that because the RLC takes the bottom third at Sandhurst? Asking for a friend....
 

Bubbles_Barker

LE
Book Reviewer
Is that because the RLC takes the bottom third at Sandhurst? Asking for a friend....
Doubt it - the RLC only take the top third, just like everyone else!
 
An OF 5 DA was removed a year ago from a sensitive post within 8 hours of being accused of gross social misconduct and subject to separate police investigations. Now 'exploring new opportunities' according to LinkedIn. I believe he was on here, but I can't recall his handle.
LOL, yes - I know the one you mean - but that's not the one I was referring to
 

Union Jack

Old-Salt
Interesting - when I took him round a major depot in 2013 he told me he was a lawyer and had no logistic experience, something my boss, an actual RN loggie completely agreed with.

It’s almost like you have the RLC, ALC and the AGC in the same grouping. The point’s the same - it’s vanishingly rare to get above 2* as a logistician in all three Services but particularly so in your lot.
That's even more interesting since if you have a look at List of Supply Officers in the Royal Navy who have reached flag rank - Wikipedia
you will see that the last name on the list is.... David Steel and that he was Chief Naval Logistics Officer!

The list also shows that there have been plenty of other Loggie/S&S Vice Admirals, as well as two full Admirals namely Peter White and Brian Brown, neither of whom is still with us.

Just to stir the pot further, Brian Brown was a pilot as well, vide Posts 46 and 60 at https://www.navy-net.co.uk/communit...principal-warships.177259/page-3#post-1443853
and the present First Sea Lord, Admiral Tony Radakin, who is a Warfare officer, qualified as a barrister...

Jack
 

Union Jack

Old-Salt
Didn't know which school he attended, but I think the one remember joined the RN as seaman officer intending to fly with the Fleet Air Arm. He certainly commanded a frigate, and retired as a captain.

No knowledge of the school he attended, but the late Commodore Noel (Jimmy) James joined as a Loggie/S&S officer, became a commando helicopter pilot, transferred subsequently to the Seaman specialisation, and commanded the frigate HMS ROTHESAY in 1976-77.

Jack
 
But isn't that true of all Branches - the step from 1* to 2* is huge, and very few make it.
the step from 1-2* is big, but the CSS community has done alright....the step from 2-3* is huge, and almost impossible for a CSS officer. I can only think of one 3* from my own cap badge within my career. He spent most of his time in FMC, not logs. @Bubbles_Barker may know more, he's even longer in the tooth than me!
 
the step from 1-2* is big, but the CSS community has done alright....the step from 2-3* is huge, and almost impossible for a CSS officer. I can only think of one 3* from my own cap badge within my career. He spent most of his time in FMC, not logs. @Bubbles_Barker may know more, he's even longer in the tooth than me!

Poffley?

And the current COM Ships is a RN 3* Loggie as well.
 

Bubbles_Barker

LE
Book Reviewer
Poffley?

And the current COM Ships is a RN 3* Loggie as well.
Correct - now retired. I’d forgotten Chris Gardner (odd, given the size of him). The fact that we know these folks personally is proof of their rarity.
 

Bubbles_Barker

LE
Book Reviewer
the step from 1-2* is big, but the CSS community has done alright....the step from 2-3* is huge, and almost impossible for a CSS officer. I can only think of one 3* from my own cap badge within my career. He spent most of his time in FMC, not logs. @Bubbles_Barker may know more, he's even longer in the tooth than me!
We were OCs together in Bosnia so he did ever so slightly better than me! I did do a BOO on his Sqn that didn't turn out too well. If you don't have any ES background you have no chance of becoming DG Land/QMG so carving himself an RP niche to 3* was a good move. The RLC have 4 x 2* and no 3* as at today and almost zero opportunity for 3* as a logistician apart from the new CDLS role (currently filled by a Sapper naturally).
 
We were OCs together in Bosnia so he did ever so slightly better than me! I did do a BOO on his Sqn that didn't turn out too well. If you don't have any ES background you have no chance of becoming DG Land/QMG so carving himself an RP niche to 3* was a good move. The RLC have 4 x 2* and no 3* as at today and almost zero opportunity for 3* as a logistician apart from the new CDLS role (currently filled by a Sapper naturally).
yet only combat officers have been Chief Defence People (or its forbearers)...
 

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