Poor UK education standards

I think it is the same for all subjects - make it dull. I have not read it yet, but this week's local paper has a story about a local school holding a special 'Fun Maths' day.

Many of us would have our own ideas about what that could be, but just in the same way boys can be interested in reading by giving them stories that appeal to them, so can anything else. One size does not fit all.
 
The syllabus must be utter dog toffee then. I'm not in any way a god botherer, but in practice "religious studies" includes almost all of the most extreme and salacious parts of human history, as well as complex psychology of how we see the world and the core debates of philosophy like "who are you" (except without all the semantic bullshit parts which obsess about what "are" means). In Western religions alone*, just a quick glance through Christian monotheistic history gives you medieval warfare, Kafka-esque trial and torture scenes, witches, patri-, fratri-, matri- and filli-cide, setting people on fire, magic hair and infinite fish; and that's before you go a bit further back to the Greeks and get pansexual incest, minotaurs, child stew, lots of lesbians, sewing people together and swan-fcuking.

It's basically a much more hardcore Game of Thrones, if you don't ignore the interesting bits.

Of course, I imagine the kind of people who write the syllabus for RE are both right-on in various ways, and perpetually terrified of offending someone or other by telling the truth, so makes it about as interesting as an accountancy lecture. But you've only got to look at the popularity of debates by people like Sam Harris, Jordan Peterson, Christopher Hitchens and so on to see that the innate potential interest in religion is sky high (sorry), if done correctly.

* Chinese Buddhism has a magic monkey pirate.
This is being filtered through 6 pints of Lidl's Festbier but I'll give it a go:
first off the Edexcel specification is here - I am not an RS teacher (thank ****) but it appears they have to cover two of the three units. None of them are massively interesting.

Also, from what I am told by the students (and therefore is probably lies) they are expected to memorise certain quotes and regurgitate. I get pissed off when that happens in Physics, never mind English and other soft subjects when they should just be given a new clean version of the text.

Anyway, if you can make that pile of shite interesting you're a better teacher than I am.
 
I think my lot will maintain the current level of staff. That is only due to a long term supply teacher who is willing to come in and help out to cover gaps. Without them we would be understaffed and shuffling classes around to avoid 2 cover lessons per class per week again.

That's in a good school in a relatively affluent area of Surrey - **** knows what it's like in the ex-industrial towns of the North.

Then there's all the other shit around funding, workload, marking policy etc. Someone sent me some Whatsapp messages I sent a few years ago and I vaguely remember the time that I actually enjoyed my job.
 
The latest news story - Warning over 'unexplained' school moves

Shock horror, schools are kicking out kids that cannot behave and trying to find ways to massage those numbers so that OFSTED don't kick up a fuss.

In other news, bears still shit in woods. I was sat in a staff room (in quite a good school) when we were told one particularly unpleasant violent thieving little shit would not be returning and there were literal cheers around the room. Some little ******* should not be in mainstream schooling and this is a reflection of that.

I notice the news story makes no reference to just how incredibly difficult it is to permanently exclude a child these days, especially if governors are unwilling to exclude (often those same governors will be those without children at the school but 'are giving something back by being involved in the community').
 
The latest news story - Warning over 'unexplained' school moves

Shock horror, schools are kicking out kids that cannot behave and trying to find ways to massage those numbers so that OFSTED don't kick up a fuss.

In other news, bears still shit in woods. I was sat in a staff room (in quite a good school) when we were told one particularly unpleasant violent thieving little shit would not be returning and there were literal cheers around the room. Some little ******* should not be in mainstream schooling and this is a reflection of that.

I notice the news story makes no reference to just how incredibly difficult it is to permanently exclude a child these days, especially if governors are unwilling to exclude (often those same governors will be those without children at the school but 'are giving something back by being involved in the community').
All the mania about kids being put in internal exclusion really pished my off. Some kids need it as a shock, some kids get removed so the other 31 kids can actually learn something and some kids just should not be in mainstream schooling.
Que more knobheads shiteing all over schools and staff trying to do the best for the majority of kids. Like you said, it is so hard to exclude students these days that often this I the only alternative.
I was shouting hateful swear words at the radio in my class as some idiots rang Jeremy Vine so spew their crap all over the place. It shocked my year 7's in to silence I can tell you.
 
Ah, bless them. This is probably the same reaction as there was a few years ago when a Biology exam contained a long question on a species of bird the students hadn't been taught about which laid eggs in compost heaps.

The kids got very indignant when it was pointed out they were expected to apply knowledge from other areas, recognise that compost heaps are warm (due to respiring microbes and fungi) and therefore the birds were using the compost heaps as an incubator.

In the Mail article there is no indication that the pictures are from the relevant exam paper. If they are, there were at least 16 questions in the paper and the Mail have shown pictures of 4 (questions 3, 7, 10 and 16) of which question 10 is quite definitely biology and not maths.

In the English and Welsh GCSEs there is an expectation (from memory, the numbers have probably changed a bit) that 40% of Physics marks will be maths based, along with 30% for Chemistry and 20% for Biology. I wouldn't be surprised if the Scottish equivalent was much different.

Basically, kids will moan and whinge no matter what and I'll wait to see the actual exam paper before making a judgement. Not that that will happen any time soon as exam boards tend to keep the most recent papers securely locked away for 9 months so there is a secure paper to schools to use for next years mock exams.
 
The latest news story - Warning over 'unexplained' school moves

Shock horror, schools are kicking out kids that cannot behave and trying to find ways to massage those numbers so that OFSTED don't kick up a fuss.

In other news, bears still shit in woods. I was sat in a staff room (in quite a good school) when we were told one particularly unpleasant violent thieving little shit would not be returning and there were literal cheers around the room. Some little ******* should not be in mainstream schooling and this is a reflection of that.

I notice the news story makes no reference to just how incredibly difficult it is to permanently exclude a child these days, especially if governors are unwilling to exclude (often those same governors will be those without children at the school but 'are giving something back by being involved in the community').
When I hear the media types talking about how vulnerable excluded kids are and how they are more likely to become criminals or victims of crime, I despair at the way they confuse cause and effect.

Msybe they are likely to get involved in crime as they think the rules do not apply to them; which was probably why they were excluded.

Bah!
 
Imho we need a system in place.

Normal schools for kids. Invest in breakfast clubs, school dinners (with hearty fare/no packed lunches) and snacks at break, and after school clubs ie extra tuition, interests and sports. Throw a dinner slot in if necessary. Uniforms.

Bring back streaming, grammar schools/classes and specializations and houses in competition with each other. The kid's can take an active part in cleaning and what not (like japan). Stop trying to teach in the afternoon. Morning for hard, taught subjects. On for projects and self motivated study (like Scandinavia) but if team work and character building.

Have a unit within the school. Low level behavioural issues can be dealt with there. If not...

Exclusion means getting sent to an exclusion school. A residential (minimum 7 day stay for first visit, each visit increasing by seven days regardless of school holibobs) package to work on behaviour and keep the academic study ticking over. Naturally child benefit for that time is directed towards the school, hence the seven day increments. Bit if motivation there for the grownups.

Failure to reach the standards expected of, say, year 9 results in one holiday school to hopefully reach the standard for year 10. If not repeat year 9.

that be a little embarrassing for the miscreants.but

drop back two years and it's off to exclusion school until they catch up.
 
Imho we need a system in place.

Normal schools for kids. Invest in breakfast clubs, school dinners (with hearty fare/no packed lunches) and snacks at break, and after school clubs ie extra tuition, interests and sports. Throw a dinner slot in if necessary. Uniforms.

Bring back streaming, grammar schools/classes and specializations and houses in competition with each other. The kid's can take an active part in cleaning and what not (like japan). Stop trying to teach in the afternoon. Morning for hard, taught subjects. On for projects and self motivated study (like Scandinavia) but if team work and character building.

Have a unit within the school. Low level behavioural issues can be dealt with there. If not...

Exclusion means getting sent to an exclusion school. A residential (minimum 7 day stay for first visit, each visit increasing by seven days regardless of school holibobs) package to work on behaviour and keep the academic study ticking over. Naturally child benefit for that time is directed towards the school, hence the seven day increments. Bit if motivation there for the grownups.

Failure to reach the standards expected of, say, year 9 results in one holiday school to hopefully reach the standard for year 10. If not repeat year 9.

that be a little embarrassing for the miscreants.but

drop back two years and it's off to exclusion school until they catch up.
What are you drinking?
 
Bits of that just won't work but I like most of it. I'm not trying to be an arse but just being realistic.

Imho we need a system in place.

Normal schools for kids. Invest in breakfast clubs, school dinners (with hearty fare/no packed lunches) and snacks at break, and after school clubs ie extra tuition, interests and sports. Throw a dinner slot in if necessary. Uniforms.
Where is this money coming from?


Bring back streaming, grammar schools/classes and specializations and houses in competition with each other.
In my opinion that's not practicable without a major reshuffle on school admittance. You would need 3 schools in each local area to cater for it and there's no way a single mum living next door to the grammar school is going to be refused entry for her kids rather than sending them on a half hour bus ride to St Thicko's Secondary Modern.


The kid's can take an active part in cleaning and what not (like japan).
Oh dear lord no. They'll make more mess than they deal with.


Stop trying to teach in the afternoon. Morning for hard, taught subjects. On for projects and self motivated study (like Scandinavia) but if team work and character building.
So all the english, maths and science teachers that have been teaching their subjects in the morning, what do they do in the afternoon? I guarantee you take the average British teenager and say "You have 2 hours to do project work", they will do 10 minutes of project work and 1 hour 50 minutes of trying to get around the porn filter. What would you have done at that age?

Have a unit within the school. Low level behavioural issues can be dealt with there. If not...
We've got them, only they are used to deal with relatively major discipline issues. Well, that's the theory but it ends up being 'who's pissed off senior management'.

Exclusion means getting sent to an exclusion school. A residential (minimum 7 day stay for first visit, each visit increasing by seven days regardless of school holibobs) package to work on behaviour and keep the academic study ticking over. Naturally child benefit for that time is directed towards the school, hence the seven day increments. Bit if motivation there for the grownups.

Failure to reach the standards expected of, say, year 9 results in one holiday school to hopefully reach the standard for year 10. If not repeat year 9.

that be a little embarrassing for the miscreants.but

drop back two years and it's off to exclusion school until they catch up.
That I would vote for. Again, the question of who is staffing, policing and paying for these camps though.
 
Bits of that just won't work but I like most of it. I'm not trying to be an arse but just being realistic.


Where is this money coming from?



In my opinion that's not practicable without a major reshuffle on school admittance. You would need 3 schools in each local area to cater for it and there's no way a single mum living next door to the grammar school is going to be refused entry for her kids rather than sending them on a half hour bus ride to St Thicko's Secondary Modern.



Oh dear lord no. They'll make more mess than they deal with.



So all the english, maths and science teachers that have been teaching their subjects in the morning, what do they do in the afternoon? I guarantee you take the average British teenager and say "You have 2 hours to do project work", they will do 10 minutes of project work and 1 hour 50 minutes of trying to get around the porn filter. What would you have done at that age?


We've got them, only they are used to deal with relatively major discipline issues. Well, that's the theory but it ends up being 'who's pissed off senior management'.


That I would vote for. Again, the question of who is staffing, policing and paying for these camps though.
Good answer but I preferred mine, short and to the point
 
Bits of that just won't work but I like most of it. I'm not trying to be an arse but just being realistic.


Where is this money coming from?



In my opinion that's not practicable without a major reshuffle on school admittance. You would need 3 schools in each local area to cater for it and there's no way a single mum living next door to the grammar school is going to be refused entry for her kids rather than sending them on a half hour bus ride to St Thicko's Secondary Modern.



Oh dear lord no. They'll make more mess than they deal with.



So all the english, maths and science teachers that have been teaching their subjects in the morning, what do they do in the afternoon? I guarantee you take the average British teenager and say "You have 2 hours to do project work", they will do 10 minutes of project work and 1 hour 50 minutes of trying to get around the porn filter. What would you have done at that age?


We've got them, only they are used to deal with relatively major discipline issues. Well, that's the theory but it ends up being 'who's pissed off senior management'.


That I would vote for. Again, the question of who is staffing, policing and paying for these camps though.
Ortholith for education secretary I would say.
 
Ortholith for education secretary I would say.
If you asked anyone I worked with they would tell you what a bad idea that would be.

As I had to explain to the Head last term, I'm very good at pointing out problems, not good at suggesting solutions. Also, it turns out saying "that class make me want to open a vein" within earshot of grownups is also frowned upon.
 
If you asked anyone I worked with they would tell you what a bad idea that would be.

As I had to explain to the Head last term, I'm very good at pointing out problems, not good at suggesting solutions. Also, it turns out saying "that class make me want to open a vein" within earshot of grownups is also frowned upon.
:oops: That shit is a bit of a warning signal to me. You have an escape route, OK?
(I am now totally aware that a teacher will be marking me down on my poor grammer)
 
:oops: That shit is a bit of a warning signal to me. You have an escape route, OK?
You have heard of black humour?

I don't have my old support groups of other young teachers to go out and get shitfaced with every other night (as I am now a middle aged boring bastard) so I settle for venting feelings in the staffroom rather than in front of the kids (professionalism and all that jazz). I actually get a lot of satisfaction from doing the real bit of my job, it's just the endless **** invented by management that spoils it.

Which I suspect is true for most squaddies, coppers, nurses, doctors, paramedics, firemen/women/people and everyone else in a similar role.
 
You have heard of black humour?

I don't have my old support groups of other young teachers to go out and get shitfaced with every other night (as I am now a middle aged boring bastard) so I settle for venting feelings in the staffroom rather than in front of the kids (professionalism and all that jazz). I actually get a lot of satisfaction from doing the real bit of my job, it's just the endless **** invented by management that spoils it.

Which I suspect is true for most squaddies, coppers, nurses, doctors, paramedics, firemen/women/people and everyone else in a similar role.
Been two in the list, nearly went mad. Take care, no job is worth your sanity.
 
If you asked anyone I worked with they would tell you what a bad idea that would be.

As I had to explain to the Head last term, I'm very good at pointing out problems, not good at suggesting solutions. Also, it turns out saying "that class make me want to open a vein" within earshot of grownups is also frowned upon.
Depends on whose vein you were referring to...
 

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