Poor Inmates in Nasty Prisons!

Do you care if prisons are overcrowded/dirty/have toothpaste on the walls?

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#1
Prioners are being moved to a prison wing previously condemned as unfit for use!

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The muffled shouts from an inmate can be heard from inside the prison van as he waits for it to be driven into Norwich jail. He doesn't want to go back inside A-Wing.



Officers at Norwich Prison complain of staffing shortages

The prisoner, called Ian, shouts out that conditions there are disgusting and he is "gutted" at having to go back.

He says it will take two days just to clean the toothpaste off the walls of the cells.

The unit has been reopened on the orders of the Home Office, despite it being condemned as unfit for human habitation.

Trish Phillips, a member of the Independent Monitoring Board which oversees the welfare of prisoners, stands outside the huge, arched prison gate to declare that animals shouldn't be allowed back inside A-Wing, let alone prisoners.

She says the smell of sewage pervades the block because old toilet pipes have broken. Cheap installation work 20 years ago had ended slopping out, but she says this is almost worse.

The call from the Home Office came from out of the blue - the prison was ordered to take in 150 prisoners, many of whom were being held in police cells. Officials had just 24 hours notice to prepare for the first wave of arrivals.

Then the Home Office called again, saying the number was being reduced to 100 prisoners.


Cells in Norwich's healthcare wing were deemed unfit in 2005

A-Wing had been shut down just five days earlier after a phased removal of more than 250 prisoners.

It followed the damning 2005 report by the Chief Inspector of Prisons Anne Owers.

She said it was among the worst prison wings her inspectors had seen - unfit for human habitation, filthy and overcrowded.

The Independent Monitoring Board is now asking how can it suddenly be deemed fit for purpose again.

A Home Office spokeswoman said 150 places would be brought back into short-term use to house prisoners on remand from the courts.

The department insisted that cells not suitable for occupation would not be certified for use.

Virginia Westall walks out of the gate after visiting her son-in-law.

Asked for her reaction to what has happened, she shook her head and said people should not be put in condemned places because it's dangerous. "All hell will be let loose," she said.

She added, scathingly, that the Home Office appeared to be making it up as it went along.


Norwich Prison is feeling the pressure like every jail in England and Wales, as inmate numbers hover around the 80,000 capacity.


Right now the spotlight is on Norwich, but there are rumours that mothballed wings in other jails - Lincoln has been mentioned - could be reopened to ease overcrowding.

Staff in Norwich are worried about the knock-on effect. The jail recently sent 14 officers to help out at Chelmsford prison but that was before staff knew what the Home Office was planning.

Now they've been told they cannot have them back to help them cope. It means more pressure on existing staff and the likelihood that A-Wing prisoners will be locked up for longer.

Already human rights lawyers are inviting prisoners sent to A-Wing to get in touch with them. The prospect of a legal challenge is a distinct possibility.
I'm sorry but "Tom" complains that he's going to take 2 days to clean the toothpaste off the walls, well if the previous occupant hadn't behaved like an animal he wouldn't have to do it. If he hadn't committed a crime he wouldn't have to do it! Its not like he's got anything else to do - apart from make a legal case against the law-abiding tax payers who support his worthless life!

I don't give a damn how bad conditions are in jail. But it's nice to see that the human rights brigade are instantly on the case - shame they didn't bother their stinking corrupt left wing liberal arrses during the short lived furore about forces accommodation.

Angry - don't get me started!!!!!! :pissedoff:
 
#2
Horridlittleman said:
Prioners are being moved to a prison wing previously condemned as unfit for use!

BBC Link

BBC said:
The Independent Monitoring Board is now asking how can it suddenly be deemed fit for purpose again.

A Home Office spokeswoman said 150 places would be brought back into short-term use to house prisoners on remand from the courts.

The department insisted that cells not suitable for occupation would not be certified for use.
I'm sorry but "Tom" complains that he's going to take 2 days to clean the toothpaste off the walls, well if the previous occupant hadn't behaved like an animal he wouldn't have to do it. If he hadn't committed a crime he wouldn't have to do it! Its not like he's got anything else to do - apart from make a legal case against the law-abiding tax payers who support his worthless life!

I don't give a damn how bad conditions are in jail. But it's nice to see that the human rights brigade are instantly on the case - shame they didn't bother their stinking corrupt left wing liberal arrses during the short lived furore about forces accommodation.

Angry - don't get me started!!!!!! :pissedoff:
These aren't being used for convicted felons you notice. Only for those on remand, some of which will not be convicted of anything.

The real prisoners, those who deserve to live in somewhere like this have been left in their 3star accomodation.

Plus of course the latest "Stop sending so many people to jail" directive from the government to judges.

The more I read the more I am convinced that the UK is in shite state and it is only getting worse.
 
#5
be nice if the people who inspected and condemed the prisions, could also be tasked to have a look at some of the mod accomodation.

if they inspect them to the same standards as the prisions how many barracks would be condemed as unfit for habitation?
 
#6
And they wonder why the BNP is gaining support...

Well done, Blair. Look on your Legacy: the decent, hard-working majority of this once great country now know that the police cannot protect them and the legal system cannot give them justice.

Our taxes are used to keep worthless scum in luxury. And to compensate them when they are denied drugs, porn or the right to vote. Meanwhile their victims are lucky if they get a cup of tea from a sympathetic copper. :pissedoff:
 
#7
I have long thought that prison should, of necessity, be uncomfortable. As well as punishing offenders, part of their rehabilitation should be to understand that the only way not to suffer the privations of gaol is to not commit crime.

If the Home Office wants to reduce the prison population, the Government should reform the legislation that sends people to prison for non-payment of Council Tax or television licences. It has always seemed to me absurd that such people are imprisoned, whilst chavs who commit violent crime, but who can produce a 'society's to blame' social worker, are handed down meaningless community sentences.
 
#8
Here we go again.

Why, oh why do we bother?

Everyone with a tiny bit of intelligence knows that the liberal, socialist commies have taken over the asylum a long time ago.

WAKE UP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU CAN MAKE NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER
 
#9
I think we should out source to foreign countries. If we found places in prisons for our crims in India and Russia, their governments would welcome the revenue and our prisons would`nt be so overcrowded. It would also be one hell of a deterrent and make chavs think twice about what they`re doing.
Pie in the sky I know but hey.
 
#10
Brads_REME said:
Here we go again.

Why, oh why do we bother?

Everyone with a tiny bit of intelligence knows that the liberal, socialist commies have taken over the asylum a long time ago.

WAKE UP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU CAN MAKE NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER
B_R I still hold hope that we can prevent the nutters from continuing to run the asylum.
 
#11
I agree with the sewerage issue as well......give them all a bucket i say, problem sorted. :pissedoff:

If they want to act like rats, then let them bloody live like rats!!
 
#12
Aw diddums, the poor benighted sonsabitches are having to live in nasty cells.

I think HMP should take a leaf out of the American Sherriff who has set up tents for prisoners in the desert, on the Grounds that "If it's good enough for our brave troops serving in Eye-raq, it's good enough for felons".

This is the same guy who has allowed the prisoners access to TV(as directed by some Human rights law) by continuous unchangeable broadcast of the God channel in the "recreation" room, and who also makes all the inmates wear pink, as they don't like it.

A bit of that in HMP Norwich wouldn't be a bad thing, IMHO.
 
#13
What a supurb idea. Lets go a bit further, we have a probelem in re-constructing Afghanistan so why not take advantage of the free manpower pool in the prison population.
Love to see the Chavs do a runner out there, and we have the added bonus that the druggies can take all the skag that they will eventually die out due to overdoses.
Seriously though, prison is no longer a deterrent and has not been since the mid 80s. It is hard to reverse penalty practises but this is one case where the fear of prison has to have some effect. The yanks managed it in Georgia, not saying we should do the same but something must be done as it is not acceptable for a society to have a sentencing policy based upon prison places rather than protection of the public.
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ROO_HEAD said:
I think we should out source to foreign countries. If we found places in prisons for our crims in India and Russia, their governments would welcome the revenue and our prisons would`nt be so overcrowded. It would also be one hell of a deterrent and make chavs think twice about what they`re doing.
Pie in the sky I know but hey.
 
#14
Themanwho said:
Aw diddums, the poor benighted sonsabitches are having to live in nasty cells.

I think HMP should take a leaf out of the American Sherriff who has set up tents for prisoners in the desert, on the Grounds that "If it's good enough for our brave troops serving in Eye-raq, it's good enough for felons".

This is the same guy who has allowed the prisoners access to TV(as directed by some Human rights law) by continuous unchangeable broadcast of the God channel in the "recreation" room, and who also makes all the inmates wear pink, as they don't like it.

A bit of that in HMP Norwich wouldn't be a bad thing, IMHO.
The man you're talking about is Joe Arpaio

JOE ARPAIO IS THE MARICOPA COUNTY SHERIFF (ARIZONA) AND HE KEEPS GETTING ELECTED OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

These are some of the reasons why:

* Sheriff Joe Arpaio created the 'tent city jail' to save Arizona from spending tens of million of dollars on another expensive prison complex.

* He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them.

* He banned smoking and porno magazines in the jails, took away their weightlifting equipment and cut off all but 'G' movies. He says: 'They're in jail to pay a debt to society not to build muscles so they can assault innocent people when they leave.'

* He started chain gangs to use the inmates to do free work on county and city projects and save taxpayer's money.

* Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued for discrimination.

* He took away cable TV until he found out there was a federal court order that required cable TV for jails. So he hooked up the cable TV again but only allows the Disney channel and the weather channel.

* When asked why the weather channel he replied: 'So these morons will know how hot it's gonna be while they are working on my chain gangs.'

* He cut off coffee because it has zero nutritional value and is therefore a waste of taxpayer money. When the inmates complained, he told them: 'This isn't the Ritz/Carlton. If you don't like it, don't come back.'

* He also bought the Newt Gingrich lecture series on US history that he pipes into the jails. When asked by a reporter if he had any lecture series by a Democrat, he replied that a democratic lecture series that actually tells the truth for a change would be welcome and that it might even explain why 95% of the inmates were in his jails in the first place.

* With temperatures being even hotter than usual in Phoenix (116 degrees just set a new record for June 2nd), the Associated Press reports: About 2,000 inmates living in a barbed- wire-surrounded tent encampment at the Maricopa County Jail have been given permission to strip down to their government-issued pink boxer shorts.

* On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing pink boxer shorts were chatting in the tents, where temperatures reached 128 degrees. 'This is hell. It feels like we live in a furnace,' said Ernesto Gonzales, an inmate for 2 years with 10 more to go. 'It's inhumane.'

* Joe Arpaio, who makes his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic. 'Criminals should be punished for their crimes - not live in luxury until it's time for parole, only to go out and commit more crimes so they can come back in to live on taxpayers money and enjoy things many taxpayers can't afford to have for themselves.'

* Wednesday he told all the inmates who were complaining of the heat in the tents: 'It's between 120 to 130 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and they have to walk all day in the sun, wearing full battle gear and get shot at, and they have not committed any crimes, so shut your damned mouths!'
 
#15
Joe Arpaio, that's the badger. Top bloke!

D'you reckon he'd get voted for in UK, or prosecuted for his "inhumane" tretment of inmates?
 
#17
Steven makes a good point about prisoners on remand. I think remand prisoners should be given (reasonably) comfortable, secure accomodation, after all they haven't been found guilty.

Those found guilty and sentenced should have the absolute most basic, sanitary provision. Definitely no TV, no personal music etc. Perhaps two hours of radio in the evening for good behaviour. No jazz mags etc. Good prison libraries should be provided though and useful work. Why prisoners aren't employed in building and upgrading prisons is a mystery to me.


Oh and while we're on it, life should mean life imprisonment without parole. No questions, no arguments. And it should be mandatory for murder, attempted murder and armed robbery.
 
#18
Mr Bliar take note - what you consider is good enough for the troops is too good for convicted prisoners.
EX_STAB said:
Oh and while we're on it, life should mean life imprisonment without parole. No questions, no arguments. And it should be mandatory for murder, attempted murder and armed robbery
I dunno - maybe they should get time cut short is they volunteer to go directly to the electric chair/gallows/guillotine etc. (do not pass go, do not collect ... anything)
 
#19
I have been in a couple of prisons in my time,Colly whilst serving and Lincoln whilst a civvy (on remand,proved innocent eventually).I found Colly to be tough but fair and time went quick there and towards the end it was enjoyable despite being backsquadded for being sh1te at drill spent about 3 months in A wing,Lincoln on the other hand was pathetic,no discipline,no direction and prisoners just left to their own devices no wonder the reoffending rate is so high,IMHO there should be a much tougher regime in jail,IE up early,1 choice breakfast then work detail till dinner,1 set dinner another work detail,then tea,kit cleaning session then lights out to begin again the next day.Prisoners are too mollycoddled and there should only be visits as a reward for good behavior not as a right,all visitors should be strip searched for drugs etc,just my thoughts
 
#20
hit the nail on the head, Rhodesian. Most people who go through Colly do not want to repeat the experiance. By comparison, civvy jails are fcuking hotels, so there is little incentive not to reoffend.

First thing we need to do is wipe our ARRSE on the European Human Rights Act. The dogs in the street could have told you that was a fcuking bad idea.

As long as we are signed up to it, scum will always have a get out of jail free card to fall back on.

Leaving aside all the other things he's done to this country, I would put Blair up against a wall and shoot him for signing us up to the EHRA alone. :threaten:

Fcuking slimey, lying, money-grabbing cnut... :pissedoff:
 

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