Politics through the Courts

Auld-Yin

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One of the consequences of Brexit, and not a good one IMO, is the idea now that if politicians can't get their way because they don't have the political strength they can just take it out of Parliament and get the court to fight their case.

This needs to stop and soon as it is no way to run a democracy, albeit a parliamentary democracy.

Regardless of the subject matter this is a dangerous new mode of politics.

I also wonder who is funding this very expensive form of circumventing Parliament. I doubt it will purely for charitable reasons so what is in it for the money men?
 
I find it laughable that the Greens and Labour are now worried about the Russian threat! Really? They weren't that worried during the Cold War. Traitorous bunch of rogues. To take one of our songs completely out of context

What force or guile could not subdue,
Thro' many warlike ages,
Is wrought now by a coward few,
For hireling traitor's wages.

The last line describes who is paying. A parcel of rogues.
 
One of the consequences of Brexit, and not a good one IMO, is the idea now that if politicians can't get their way because they don't have the political strength they can just take it out of Parliament and get the court to fight their case.

This needs to stop and soon as it is no way to run a democracy, albeit a parliamentary democracy.

Regardless of the subject matter this is a dangerous new mode of politics.

I also wonder who is funding this very expensive form of circumventing Parliament. I doubt it will purely for charitable reasons so what is in it for the money men?

Agree entirely.

We run the risk of ending up with a situation like the Supreme Court in the States, where things that really should have been decided politically (the most obvious being abortion) were "decided" legally.

And now every appointment to that Court is a bloody political battle with all the attendant fall out, simply because all sides involved are worried "is he/she on our side or not?" and thus what effect will the appointment have on their future ability to influence things.
 
One of the consequences of Brexit, and not a good one IMO, is the idea now that if politicians can't get their way because they don't have the political strength they can just take it out of Parliament and get the court to fight their case.

This needs to stop and soon as it is no way to run a democracy, albeit a parliamentary democracy.

Regardless of the subject matter this is a dangerous new mode of politics.

I also wonder who is funding this very expensive form of circumventing Parliament. I doubt it will purely for charitable reasons so what is in it for the money men?

I'll give you the same response I gave in the other thread started by @Northern_Biff

The only way it will stop, will be for the Judge in the next spurious case, to ram 6 months detention up the hoops of the complainants **, for wasting the Courts time.

** For complainants, read complainants, legal team and members of the CPS / whatever they are called, that allowed it to get to Court in the first place.
 
The courts do have a place in democracy as a pillar against the excesses of government.

Transparency is also one of the pillars of democracy.
 
I find it laughable that the Greens and Labour are now worried about the Russian threat! Really? They weren't that worried during the Cold War. Traitorous bunch of rogues. To take one of our songs completely out of context

What force or guile could not subdue,
Thro' many warlike ages,
Is wrought now by a coward few,
For hireling traitor's wages.

The last line describes who is paying. A parcel of rogues.
All this could misfire, what if everything is published and links to Magic and his crew and cronies and Russian Int are revealed. may be going back decades? NHS leaks at the GE?
 
The courts do have a place in democracy as a pillar against the excesses of government.

Transparency is also one of the pillars of democracy.

That's fantastic.

Can we know get rid of Party / Political Internal Investigations that are actually a Police matter.
 

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The courts do have a place in democracy as a pillar against the excesses of government.

Transparency is also one of the pillars of democracy.
I agree, but they should not be the place to go if your argument is not working in Parliament.
 
The courts do have a place in democracy as a pillar against the excesses of government.

Transparency is also one of the pillars of democracy.

Pros and Cons.
Frankly politicisation of the Courts is not going to end well. Their supposed neutrality is in the process of no longer being viewed as a neutral stance. And as for the lawyers involved in this situation ....................

 
The courts do have a place in democracy as a pillar against the excesses of government.

Transparency is also one of the pillars of democracy.
The courts became political during the Brexit process, that much was obvious.

The Opposition and other MPs act as a pillar against the excesses of government, not forgetting the Lords.

Then finally there is the electorate. There is no need for court involvement - it's a loser's last gasp.
 
I don't know what all the faux excitement is about.
Are they saying that the Russian state somehow influenced voters to vote leave?

Whilst we have a Russian State owned TV channel, influencing voters 24/7 and allow Russian mates of Putin to run the Independent (a wholly remain piss and moan 'newspaper') then I don't think we can say anything about a few adds on facebook or something.

I've no doubt this will float away like all the other Russian nonsense.

And while we are on the matter of democracy, I give you John Bercow, former disgraced Speaker of the House of Clowns.
 
One of the consequences of Brexit, and not a good one IMO, is the idea now that if politicians can't get their way because they don't have the political strength they can just take it out of Parliament and get the court to fight their case.

This needs to stop and soon as it is no way to run a democracy, albeit a parliamentary democracy.

Regardless of the subject matter this is a dangerous new mode of politics.

I also wonder who is funding this very expensive form of circumventing Parliament. I doubt it will purely for charitable reasons so what is in it for the money men?

In this instance - its less about circumventing democracy - its more about feeding the usual Tories evil narrative foisted on the gullible. thus ensuring the gullible refuse to vote for any one but good socialists

Since 2016 weve had 4 years of Russia voted Brexit - Russia voted Boris etc - the report demonstrated that wasnt the case - nor were the tories complicit in any such shenanigans.

Of course the immediate response to that was the usual "if it didnt give the answer i wanted then report asked the wrong questions" followed by demands for another inquiry (at great expense) thankfully fecked off at the high port.

This is just keeping the Russian /Brexit / Tory collusion fresh in the minds of those who will slavishly parrot the headlines on face ache and twatter - without reading the accompnying story
 

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One of the consequences of Brexit, and not a good one IMO, is the idea now that if politicians can't get their way because they don't have the political strength they can just take it out of Parliament and get the court to fight their case.

This needs to stop and soon as it is no way to run a democracy, albeit a parliamentary democracy.

Regardless of the subject matter this is a dangerous new mode of politics.

I also wonder who is funding this very expensive form of circumventing Parliament. I doubt it will purely for charitable reasons so what is in it for the money men?
Funnily enough this is a route I can see the yesnp going down in the future.
 
All this could misfire, what if everything is published and links to Magic and his crew and cronies and Russian Int are revealed. may be going back decades? NHS leaks at the GE?

Dont be silly that would be presented as Mi5 and the far right media lies and thus further the Tories evil narritive to the (momentum) party faithfull
It really is a win win for them as regards the target audience
Case refused = Gov Cover up*
Case beaten = Gov cover up*
Fingers pointed at St Jeremy = proof of right wing lies and smears*



*and or a Jewish plot
 
The 2019 Conservative election manifesto stated that BJ would seek to curb the politicisation of the legal system.
Lawyers are beginning to express concern about the threat to Judicial Review – all revealed in a little-noticed paragraph in the Conservative Manifesto. Although probably driven by resentment at the Supreme Court judgment in the Prorogation case, many people fear that it is mostly motivated by Ministers’ hatred of being challenged on policy matters.
 
I find it laughable that the Greens and Labour are now worried about the Russian threat! Really? They weren't that worried during the Cold War. Traitorous bunch of rogues. To take one of our songs completely out of context

What force or guile could not subdue,
Thro' many warlike ages,
Is wrought now by a coward few,
For hireling traitor's wages.

The last line describes who is paying. A parcel of rogues.

I don't think Agent Cob was particulary bothered either, perhaps he was present but not involved in the Russian threat
 

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The biggest problem with Lawfare is the underlying and profoundly wrong assumption that highly charged political questions can be settled by legal pronouncement.

That the UK (at least the mainland bit) has an enviable record of civil peace compared with much of the rest of the world is due, in large part, to the ability of our constitution to flex and evolve. As the whole Brexit saga demonstrated very clearly, the greater involvement of the courts has much to do with ultra-liberal elites trying to impose agendas that can't generate sufficient support at the ballot box. That in itself should be cause enough to rein the judiciary in.
 

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