• ARRSE have partnered with Armadillo Merino to bring you an ARRSE exclusive, generous discount offer on their full price range.
    To keep you warm with the best of Merino gear, visit www.armadillomerino.co.uk and use the code: NEWARRSE40 at the checkout to get 40% off!
    This superb deal has been generously offered to us by Armadillo Merino and is valid until midnight on the the 28th of February.

Political Correctness and Halloween

#1
I have just been informed by my ex-wife that the local leisure centre are trying the political correctness approach and using religion as the excuse.

As part of her business venture she has hired two halls on the weekend of the 28th October to run what has been termed a 'Halloween adventure'. Basically a large party for the kids involving all sorts of animals for the children such as a Boa constrictor, bearded dragon, tarantula and the list goes on.

After the booking for one of the halls was made she then put out fliers and the leisure centre have phoned and cancelled the booking as 'Halloween' would offend too many people on religious grounds. This is an area that is predominantly white and christian. Other minority religious groups account for less than 5% of the local population.

Halloween, from my limited research, has roots in paganism - defined as a religion with beliefs arising from other than Abrahamic roots (Not christian, Jewish or Muslim). Surprisisngly then paganism accounts for the religious beliefs of over 50% of the worlds population.

Really at a loss to see how that can offend and more so as it is a themed party for children, primarily under ten years of age.

Any views?
 
#3
Well personally I would sue on the grounds of religious discrimination.

Your Mrs maight be a Paganist or a Wiccan and the local w@nkers who cancelled her booking are denigrating her beliefs.

Got to be worth a few quid in damages?

Halloween is a religious day of significance for Wiccans.


Or to look at it from the other side, Halloween celebrations are a Septic import that has nothing to do with European/UK culture and is epitome of crass, U.S.-style commercialism so it should be banned.
 
#4
Bloody typical all going a bit far now! Surely religion being flaunted in your face is offensive? So why have the turban where they are showing the world their religion, likewise with the mosques all over UK etc...

Another reason why I ain't gonna stop there abroad for me! A rule for one another for the Anglo saxons!

Good luck but I don't think you will get far!
 
#6
only people who worry about hallowean are christian god bothers.
equal opps claim to be a wiccan and complain to council equalties officer then sit back and enjoy the fun.
also phone the stun and get your piccy in a national newspaper for some free publicity :twisted:
 
#7
Steven said:
Or to look at it from the other side, Halloween celebrations are a Septic import that has nothing to do with European/UK culture and is epitome of crass, U.S.-style commercialism so it should be banned.
Agreed
 
#8
its for kiddies for trucks sake, "may upset the minority" well here a shocker for you , it's pissing off the MAJORITY" BNP figures continue to rise!
 
#10
Norge said:
Steven said:
Or to look at it from the other side, Halloween celebrations are a Septic import that has nothing to do with European/UK culture and is epitome of crass, U.S.-style commercialism so it should be banned.
Agreed
See, this is how the intellectually bankrupt get away with their petty bans and restrictions.

Halloween, far from being an American import, is a European export - which, admittedly, the Americans have somewhat bastardised.

Neither is it a, "Wiccan," festival.

It's origins are in the Celtic New Year. October 31 was the end of the Celtic year, Samhain. It marked the end of one pastoral year (the harvest being completed) and the beginning of the next. Death into life.

It was an very spiritual time where the the Otherworld (bogles and the like) became visible - probably because Tesco hadn't been invented and not quite knowing where the next meal was coming from must have set off the odd qualm.

Christianity, when it arrived took over the pagan festival as the eve of All Hallows or All Saints. The harvest festivals becoming Martinmas and Lammas, depending on geography.

So it is a custom and tradition (however skewed now) far older and rooted in reality than some johnny-cum-lately practises currently practised in these isles.
 
#11
Whilst I agree with both Steven and Norge that it really is an Americanisum, the kids seem to enjoy it and if taken at face value is fun for all concerned........apart from my pocket.

Therefore:

1. Speak to the local vicars and see if they have a problem. Those that don't, get them to right a letter supporting your wife and ask them to contact the leisure centre.

2. Get a good Solicitor to then draft a nice "this is going to cost you a fortune" letter to the council and leisure centre.

3. Speak to the local rags, radio to drum up support.

Sit back and let loose the dogs of war.
 
#12
Mangonel said:
Norge said:
Steven said:
Or to look at it from the other side, Halloween celebrations are a Septic import that has nothing to do with European/UK culture and is epitome of crass, U.S.-style commercialism so it should be banned.
Agreed
See, this is how the intellectually bankrupt get away with their petty bans and restrictions.

Halloween, far from being an American import, is a European export - which, admittedly, the Americans have somewhat bastardised.

Neither is it a, "Wiccan," festival.

It's origins are in the Celtic New Year. October 31 was the end of the Celtic year, Samhain. It marked the end of one pastoral year (the harvest being completed) and the beginning of the next. Death into life.

It was an very spiritual time where the the Otherworld (bogles and the like) became visible - probably because Tesco hadn't been invented and not quite knowing where the next meal was coming from must have set off the odd qualm.

Christianity, when it arrived took over the pagan festival as the eve of All Hallows or All Saints. The harvest festivals becoming Martinmas and Lammas, depending on geography.

So it is a custom and tradition (however skewed now) far older and rooted in reality than some johnny-cum-lately practises currently practised in these isles.
I was sort of agreeing with you right up until the bit in bold.

Which reality is that then?

Only sort of agreeing because All Hallows or Celtic New Year* is not what I mentioned. Haloween as it is "celebrated" today is a crass US import.

*Will have to do some research on this because it sounds a bit dodgy to me, why would New year be in the middle of a season/lunar cycle??

Edited to add.

Ok "Celtic New Year" is near enough for arrse :)

McBain's Etymological Dictionary of the Gaelic Language says that 'samhuinn' (the Scots Gaelic spelling) means 'summer's end'..." The Celts observed only two seasons of the year: summer and winter. So, Samhain was celebrated at one of the transitions between these seasons
.
 
#15
Steven,

It's the pastoral New year.

The harvest being in is the important point here. That grub now has to last.

Basically, the point I was trying to make, is that in that particular religious and agrarian mindset, having that festival with the accompanying conotations of fear and death and visits from the ancestors pending the next availability of scoff strikes me as more real than believing in clouds and harps or magic gardens, for instance.
 
#17
I think the man is correct Steven!

There was also a much lighter side to the Celtic New Year rituals. Children put on strange disguises and roamed the countryside, pretending to be the returning dead or spirits from the Otherworld. Celts thought the break in reality on November Eve not only provided a link between the worlds, but also dissolved the structure of society for the night. Boys and girls would put on each other's clothes, and would generally flout convention by boisterous behavior and by playing tricks on their elders.
From http://home.comcast.net/~buaidh/Samhainn.html

Might even support the Halloween nee Samhainn more now.
 
#19
Last year in Kent they tried to change the name of the Christmass lights, to Celebration Lights, so as not to offend other religions.
I asked some friends about this.
Hindu, Do I still get presents?
Muslim, Why do I care? Do I still get presents?
Jew, What ever. Do I still get presents?

As long as we keep getting sweets, who cares?
 

Latest Threads