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Political bias, the BBC, libraries and who actually uses them?

#1
Other than the unsavoury nature of the BBC's blatant political bias, the real question in all this blather over libraries is, who actually uses them?

My local library seems to be little more than a day centre for the dossers of the town and doesn't seem to actually function as a 'library' as I would understand it. Any books of any intellectual merit all seem to have been packed off to the central store and are by request only.


BBC criticised for bias over Zadie Smith's R4 broadcast - Telegraph
 
#3
there has been a sustained (10 years +) campagin to keep a one of my local libraries open, they have "won" after a fashion, the council relented and even offered to refurb the place

YAY and other words along the lines were heard to be shouted, when the new "improved" library was reopened the council had taken a large victorian library with 3 reading rooms a research section and a classroom used by community groups and turned it into a one room library

I'd "guess" that before refurb there was 20k+ books post referb no more then a reasonably stocked bookshop maybe 2K(that is a guess but you get the scale of the cuts)
it was deemed a massive success and 3 other libraries in the borough have had the same treatment and a further two closed
 
#4
Yeah, letz get rid of them libraries, cos we knows how to read, innit.
Isn't that exactly the issue?

We dont need no edukashun people don't use them, and them that can read, buy their books online at Amazon for about the same cost as driving into town to the library and paying for the parking twice, and don't use them either.
 
#6
Yeah, if you've got the money to drive down to them, or buy online.

Plenty of people use my local library. And seeing the torygraph attacking someone for attacking a tory policy is as about as surprising as learning that a bear, does indeed shit in the woods.
 
#7
Yeah, if you've got the money to drive down to them, or buy online.

Plenty of people use my local library. And seeing the torygraph attacking someone for attacking a tory policy is as about as surprising as learning that a bear, does indeed shit in the woods.

From the article:

"…Various listeners pointed out that the decision to close Kensal Rise library was taken by the local Labour-controlled Brent council, which has earmarked six libraries for closure.…"
 
#8
Yeah, if you've got the money to drive down to them, or buy online.

Plenty of people use my local library. And seeing the torygraph attacking someone for attacking a tory policy is as about as surprising as learning that a bear, does indeed shit in the woods.
Leave him to it, some other Tory cheerleader will be on in a minute and they'll have a **** Off!
 
#9
My position isn't pro-labour. It anti-closure of libraries. Along with not selling off the family silver, because "who really uses it eh? They won't mind paying some rich bloke to be even richer"

The same people who'll sell our military, our police, our hospitals, and anything else they can get hold of to the highest bidder, and who gives a **** about the actual service they'll provide.

Blues and Royals? Give 'em long enough, and they'll be the Blues & Barclay's first regiment of Investment Guards.
 
#10
My position isn't pro-labour. It anti-closure of libraries. Along with not selling off the family silver, because "who really uses it eh? They won't mind paying some rich bloke to be even richer"

The same people who'll sell our military, our police, our hospitals, and anything else they can get hold of to the highest bidder, and who gives a **** about the actual service they'll provide.

Blues and Royals? Give 'em long enough, and they'll be the Blues & Barclay's first regiment of Investment Guards.
In this case who is selling what? The rant on the radio this morning was about closing libraries, something which this government has NOT requested. The article was about the closure of a library in Labour controlled Brent, so if any party is responsible for closing libraries in the instance quoted on Radio4 it is Labour. The party that marched about cuts - the same cuts that they themselves would have made had they been in power.
 
#11
Not requested? Not put a halt to? Not provided funds to make sure they didn't close? And as I quite clearly pointed out, my position ISN'T PRO LABOUR....

(maybe someone needs one of those Libraries... if only someone could find one...)
 
#12
My position isn't pro-labour. It anti-closure of libraries. Along with not selling off the family silver, because "who really uses it eh? They won't mind paying some rich bloke to be even richer"

The same people who'll sell our military, our police, our hospitals, and anything else they can get hold of to the highest bidder, and who gives a **** about the actual service they'll provide.

Blues and Royals? Give 'em long enough, and they'll be the Blues & Barclay's first regiment of Investment Guards.

The library in question is being closed by a Labour controlled council.

You still haven't addressed my point, it's now cheaper to buy mass market books online than it would cost in petrol and parking charges to go and borrow one from a library.
Now that most libraries have either non existent or very slim reference sections, (and the internet can provide most of the reference sources you need now), the need for them has effectively vanished for most people.

The demise of the Net Book Agreement effectively ended the need for libraries as books became readily affordable for most people. History and technology marches on, and while libraries had their place, they are now by and large an expensive and rather underused anachronism.
 
#13
Not requested? Not put a halt to? Not provided funds to make sure they didn't close? And as I quite clearly pointed out, my position ISN'T PRO LABOUR....

(maybe someone needs one of those Libraries... if only someone could find one...)
Well perhaps if people made better use of these libraries they may not be targeted by councils as potential sites for closure. The govenrment has told councils to cut their budgets, and to stop loading their overspending on council tax payers, they have emphasised that it should not be front line services being affected. Does the chief executive of Brent council really earn his £194K per year?
 
#14
And like I said, my local library receives plenty of use. And if you have the money to drive and park, then yes, you probably don't need to read the latest airport trash, or bonkbuster from your local library. If you don't have the money, but still want to read then yes they are important.

As for reference, there is a lot that you can't have for free. But if the library buys those books, then you can use them for reference. And having used both the internet, and books for research, I would pick a book any time.
 
#15
Well perhaps if people made better use of these libraries
Ah, there's the rub! Not to mention, that, once they're gone, they won't come back, but we do have social problems. Nearby to where I live, the local council have decided that since a local playground gets constantly vandalised, they'll close the playground. Nothing about actually stopping it from being vandalised, just close it, and put the money elsewhere. And meanwhile, the local kids go without a playground.
 
#16
Well perhaps if people made better use of these libraries they may not be targeted by councils as potential sites for closure. The govenrment has told councils to cut their budgets, and to stop loading their overspending on council tax payers, they have emphasised that it should not be front line services being affected. Does the chief executive of Brent council really earn his £194K per year?
Waste at Brent Council? Surely not!


Liberal Democrats challenge Labour Leader to hold Budget Away Days in Brent
Posted on October 18, 2010 by brentcouncillibdems| Leave a comment

Liberal Democrat Leader Councillor Paul Lorber has written to Councillor Ann John the Labour Leader of Brent Council urging her to cancel the proposed trip in November by the Labour Executive to Latimer House Hotel to discuss the Council’s budget and hold all meetings of these kind in Brent Council’s own venues – saving up to £10,000 a year.

In July 2010 the Labour Leadership on Brent Council was criticised for spending almost £5,000 of Council Taxpayers money on an awayday in plush country escape at Latimer Place – including overnight accommodation, dinner and wine. The Liberal Democrats argued that this expense was a waste of public money when perfectly adequate alternative venues were available in Brent.

In 2006, when he became the 1st Liberal Democrat Leader of Brent Council, Councillor Paul Lorber scrapped the practice of expensive hotel stays for the Executive Budget Planning Days. Instead between 2006 and 2010 the Executive led by Councillor Lorber held 7 of their meetings in Bridge Park in Stonebridge and the final one at a newly opened Brent Council Training Centre in Wembley.

At their November Budget Away Days the Labour Executive will be discussing the new Labour plans for £90 million of cuts in Council Budgets, including options to scrap weekly refuse collections, closing centres for people with learning difficulties, closing Libraries and massive increases in CPZ parking charges.

According to the Liberal Democrat Leader it is symbolic that Labour Councillors should be making those decisions over dinner and wine at Brent residents’ expense. Cllr Lorber has written to the Leader of the Council, Cllr Ann John, urging her to reconsider the venue and hole the meeting, and future year’s meetings, here in Brent.

Speaking about the issue, Cllr Lorber said,

“The financial mess that Gordon Brown left our country in means that all politicians will have to make difficult decisions. It is however extremely arrogant and irresponsible of Brent Labour Councillors to go ahead with spending up to £5,000 on an unnecessary stay at Latimer Place Hotel, against the wishes of Brent residents who do not want to see their money wasted in this way. There is no justification for this and the Labour Councillors should be ashamed of themselves. I have urged the Labour Leader of the Council to show restraint and cancel this wasteful practice.”


Liberal Democrats challenge Labour Leader to hold Budget Away Days in Brent | Brent Council Liberal Democrats
 
#17
Does the chief executive of Brent council really earn his £194K per year?
Surely the market-based approach would be to ask, "What do we need to pay to get the calibre of applicant we're looking for"? You should see what public sector managerial types get paid in Singapore or South Korea compared to private sector equivalents. Pay peanuts, get monkeys.
 
#18
Surely the market-based approach would be to ask, "What do we need to pay to get the calibre of applicant we're looking for"? You should see what public sector managerial types get paid in Singapore or South Korea compared to private sector equivalents. Pay peanuts, get monkeys.
Or in this case he is paid 50K more than the PM. He's running a council not a country. I suspect you got a monkey here.
 
#20
And look at the calibre of PM we've had of late. Peanuts, monkeys. If we want better, we need to pony up to make it worth the time of the competent.
Unfortunately as taxpayers we do not select the party leaders/Prime Ministers, I know I would have never selected the last 4. Council Officer inflation has been unchecked until recently, salaries have more than doubled in the past 10 years, and that doesn't take into account severance and pension emoluments.
 

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