Policing.

#2
I think with regards to arresting folk in the uk we have as much power as other citizens, ie; we can make a citizens arrest. Obviously in NI and other hotspots we have more powers. I remember being told when I first went to Northern Ireland that all I would have to do was place my large hand on Paddy's shoulder and say (in a loud and clear voice!!!) "In the name of the Queen I arrest you." I have no idea if this would actually work or not. I expect he/she would just meekly hang his head (in shame) and follow you back.
 
#4
Method said:
Can the Army perform limited police duties, I.E arrest people or give chase?
Why not try posting on the monkey forum. Someone there will be able to bore the pants you, with the ins and outs of Powers of Arrest.
 
#5
Fraser said:
Method said:
Can the Army perform limited police duties, I.E arrest people or give chase?
Why not try posting on the monkey forum. Someone there will be able to bore the pants you, with the ins and outs of Powers of Arrest.
Why bother, when I can do it here?

The simple answer is, in the UK (except Northern Ireland) no. The military have no civil powers of arrest beyond those available to any person (i.e. a "Citizen's Arrest"). Aid the the Civil Power and Emergency Powers legislation is a different kettle of fish entirely. As a rule, the Government is loathe to use the military in any operational civilian police matter. Exceptions are during industrial disputes (i.e. Op. FRESCO, and even then police escort the military).

Saying that, I've worked with the army on a number of occasions as a civilian cop, mainly in a training context.

V!
 
#6
chokinthechicken said:
The one in NI,I remember is,' As a member of her Majestys Forces, I arrest you'. which I done on many occasions, as a lowly tom.
Do you think they would actually let you ? I'm sure most Northern Irish would cream when they hear this. :p
 
#7
Kal™ said:
Do you think they would actually let you ?
The answer is yes numbnuts, it's printed on the "blue" card. Then if possible you hand out a "white" card. At least thats what was procedure when I was in.
 
#8
armourer said:
Kal™ said:
Do you think they would actually let you ?
The answer is yes numbnuts, it's printed on the "blue" card. Then if possible you hand out a "white" card. At least thats what was procedure when I was in.
I'm talking about the Northern Irish mentality, not the legality of the thing, numbnuts ?
 
#9
think you're the numbnuts here i'm afraid kal. your response to chokinthechicken was patronising and just plain immature. sounds like he has done his time out there and i'm sure he had plenty of practise in following up the words of "i arrest you" with the necessary force / restraint. your suggestion that the northern irish person in question would "cream themself" just shows your apparent inexperience in these matters.

the fact we were forced to use a nice set phrase in order to make grabbing a naughty paddy legal, doesn't mean the british army are soft or lacking in effectiveness. and i think you have made yourself look silly taking the p*ss out of someone who, i would wager my left b*ll*ck, has had far more hands-on experience of arresting people on the streets of northern ireland than yourself! in fact it sounds like you have very limited experience of that particular theatre...

politely suggest that in future you stick to what you know, rather than what you think you know...? :)
 
#10
There were rumours that soldiers, wearing police uniform, were used during the miners' strike. I doubt the rumour has any foundation.

Incidentally, as an ordinary citizen, your powers of arrest are pretty extensive.
 
#11
The only publicised incident I can think of was the use of a 22 SAS CRW team to do an (unarmed) assault on a Scottish prison to rescue some kidnapped prison officers in the 80's. The Thatcher government was determined to make sure the media thought it was a police team but to no avail.

The squaddies-do-the-miner's-strike rumour has been doing the rounds on parapolitics and leftie websites since the dispute ended. Some Tory-Boy millionaire was reported to have used ex-army types as agent provocateurs and strike-busters during the strike, which isn't quite the same thing.

Shame I'll probably be dead when the records are released at Kew in circa. 2040.

V!
 
#12
My understanding is that a citizen's arrest can only be effected for a crime that carries a punishment of x mths/yrs imprisonment. Can't remember whether it was 3 months or 2 years - don't know even if it's true.

This being arrse, someone will know.
 
#13
Indeed they do.

I won't bore you with the precise details but it depends on whether an offence is "arrestable" or not (which, yes, involves the length of sentence feasible on first conviction). Any person can arrest somebody committing an arrestable offence (i.e. a "citizen's arrest" widely used by store detectives and so on).

A police constable' power of arrest differs only in that he or she may arrest a person suspected of having committed an arrestable offence. Cops also have additional "general arrest conditions" (s.25 PACE) for other offences.

Suspicion is the key element here...a member of the public can't arrest somebody retrospectively having suspected that they'd committed an offence but a police officer can.

Hope this helps.

V!
 
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#14
Krazy_Ivan said:
I think with regards to arresting folk in the uk we have as much power as other citizens, ie; we can make a citizens arrest. Obviously in NI and other hotspots we have more powers. I remember being told when I first went to Northern Ireland that all I would have to do was place my large hand on Paddy's shoulder and say (in a loud and clear voice!!!) "In the name of the Queen I arrest you." I have no idea if this would actually work or not. I expect he/she would just meekly hang his head (in shame) and follow you back.
'In the name of the Queen, I arrest you?'.........who the fack are you arresting..........Dick Turpin?

I think the answer is that you can make a 'Citizens Arrest'..........you'd be best off placing this on the Monkeys thread.
 
#16
Vegetius said:
you'd be best off placing this on the Monkeys thread.
No! not in there! They type with their knuckles and it's....scary.

V!
IMHO, the RMP are the police version of the 'Walt'.
 
#18
eye_spy said:
Vegetius said:
you'd be best off placing this on the Monkeys thread.
No! not in there! They type with their knuckles and it's....scary.

V!
IMHO, the RMP are the police version of the 'Walt'.
Hmmm. Well that's perhaps a tad harsh considering their operational role as opposed to their peacetime "army cop" role, where I agree there is a lot to be desired. My limited professional experience of the RMP has left me underwhelmed but I can't knock the hospitality of their Sgt's Mess in London.

As for RAFP, well I do have a bezzer who was in that firm so I might be biased. I think people misunderstand their role as a primarily static "security police" organisation, like the USAF equivalent. Apples and oranges compared to RAFP.

The ex-RMP I was at Hendon with was pretty candid about what he (not I) perceived to be the "wannabe cop" syndrome in his corps. He left because of what he saw as the appalling level of competence amongst his officers... the creme de la creme were not, it appears, wearing redcaps.

It'll all be purple soon anyway, and this argument will be moot.

V!

V!
 
#19
Vegetius said:
eye_spy said:
Vegetius said:
you'd be best off placing this on the Monkeys thread.
No! not in there! They type with their knuckles and it's....scary.

V!
IMHO, the RMP are the police version of the 'Walt'.
Hmmm. Well that's perhaps a tad harsh considering their operational role as opposed to their peacetime "army cop" role, where I agree there is a lot to be desired. My limited professional experience of the RMP has left me underwhelmed but I can't knock the hospitality of their Sgt's Mess in London.

V!
Don't get me wrong V, I have worked with RMP on ops, CONCO and WIS etc. Good blokes the lot of them. However, as soon as they get back to their peace time army cop role, as you said, alot to be desired. Anyhow, my original post was merely a bit of fun and tongue in cheek. I ave no desire to turn this thread into an anti RMP one. Hopefully that has killed it dead.

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