Police vs Army

#1
Just wondering...do many would-be police officers decide to join the Army because they are sick of the long wait?

Basically, after going to the London Military Festival I am now considering joining the Army as an Officer as an option. Personally, in an ideal world I would like to be a Police Officer and serve in the TA as an Officer (have applied), but after nearly two years of the Police application process and in light of lowering Police entry standards joining the Army is something I feel I should consider. My only concern is that as a career-minded person will I get the opportunity to advance swiftly and make a difference in the Army?

Anyway, that is me blathering on and threadnapping in my own thread. :x To recap, Army vs Police- do many give up on the Police and join the Army and if so do they enjoy it or regret it?
 
#2
Anon1 said:
Just wondering...do many would-be police officers decide to join the Army because they are sick of the long wait?

Basically, after going to the London Military Festival I am now considering joining the Army as an Officer as an option. Personally, in an ideal world I would like to be a Police Officer and serve in the TA as an Officer (have applied), but after nearly two years of the Police application process and in light of lowering Police entry standards joining the Army is something I feel I should consider. My only concern is that as a career-minded person will I get the opportunity to advance swiftly and make a difference in the Army?

Anyway, that is me blathering on and threadnapping in my own thread. :x To recap, Army vs Police- do many give up on the Police and join the Army and if so do they enjoy it or regret it?
Have you thought about the Community Support Officers? :D
 
#3
mediumwhiteamericano said:
Anon1 said:
Just wondering...do many would-be police officers decide to join the Army because they are sick of the long wait?

Basically, after going to the London Military Festival I am now considering joining the Army as an Officer as an option. Personally, in an ideal world I would like to be a Police Officer and serve in the TA as an Officer (have applied), but after nearly two years of the Police application process and in light of lowering Police entry standards joining the Army is something I feel I should consider. My only concern is that as a career-minded person will I get the opportunity to advance swiftly and make a difference in the Army?

Anyway, that is me blathering on and threadnapping in my own thread. :x To recap, Army vs Police- do many give up on the Police and join the Army and if so do they enjoy it or regret it?
Have you thought about the Community Support Officers? :D
Can he swim?


edited to add: I'll get my water-wings...
 
#4
I am aware some soldiers joining up going through this thought process and either feel they are too young for the police or like you are not willing to wait.

However I would guard against your plan to 'advance quickly'. We all like to think we are legends in our own lunch time but the reality may be you advance in line with the rest of us mortals.

As for making a difference, I make a difference every day! Today I wore red socks just to be different and tomorrow I will push the boat out and wear wacky boxer shorts!
 
#5
mediumwhiteamericano said:
Have you thought about the Community Support Officers? :D
Yes, but I didn't have either a rabbi or a chicken so couldn't fulfil that directive :wink: .....


Guess I'm just being an impatient sod, as at 26 I feel I should be doing something rather than sat on the sidelines waiting.....will hold on and calm down.
 
#6
Anon1 said:
mediumwhiteamericano said:
Have you thought about the Community Support Officers? :D
Yes, but I didn't have either a rabbi or a chicken so couldn't fulfil that directive :wink: .....


Guess I'm just being an impatient sod, as at 26 I feel I should be doing something rather than sat on the sidelines waiting.....will hold on and calm down.
Sorry, lost me there with the Rabbi thing.
 
#7
"That's it. I'm invoking space corp directive 6_8_2_5_0."
" 6_8_2_5_0? But sir, surely thats impossible without at least one live chicken and a rabbi."
"Forget it. Forget I was ever born."
"But sir, I'm very happy to perform the ceremony, but I'm bewildered as to how sacrificing poultry will clear up the screen problem."
- Rimmer & Kryten, Red Dwarf
 
#8
Anon1 said:
Just wondering...do many would-be police officers decide to join the Army because they are sick of the long wait?

Basically, after going to the London Military Festival I am now considering joining the Army as an Officer as an option. Personally, in an ideal world I would like to be a Police Officer and serve in the TA as an Officer (have applied), but after nearly two years of the Police application process and in light of lowering Police entry standards joining the Army is something I feel I should consider. My only concern is that as a career-minded person will I get the opportunity to advance swiftly and make a difference in the Army?

Anyway, that is me blathering on and threadnapping in my own thread. :x To recap, Army vs Police- do many give up on the Police and join the Army and if so do they enjoy it or regret it?
I would say give it a go. Sign up for a short service commission and then, if you get your commission, you can then after 3 years try to convert to a regular one, providing you like the army and they like you.
During those 3 years, if you know you are going to leave the army, start your police application process early.
I did exactly that. 3 year SSC followed by 30 years in the police. A good decision overall, looking back.
 
#10
May I, as someone who left the Army after 15 years, joined the Old Bill and left them after 5 years to do 16 years in the RAF as an officer offer a comment? The Army was great was but I had reched my ceiling. The Old Bill was very, very frustraing after the Army. No esprit de corps, no respect for your offic or uniform, loads of paperwork and not much satidfaction. Back to the RAF and thouroughly enjoyed it. To answer your point, forget the Old Bill, do the Army thing, but DO NOT go back to thinking about joining the Old Bill after your Army time. You will be very very disappointed.
 
#12
Definatly army, Ther is just far more variation to it and for all the traveling it is well worth it
 
#13
You listen to just_andy, he really knows about all the variation and travel as he's in phase 1 and is going to be an electronic technition(sic). Whatever you do don't join the army because you're fed up of waiting for the police. Only join the army if you want to join the army.
 
#14
Anon 1,

IMO, the worst things are:
a. A soldier who doesn't want to be one.
b. A police officer who doesn't want to be one.
c. Any other bloody job done by someone who doesn't want to do it.

Basically, find out what you really want to do and go and do it. If the police process takes a long time, that's just the way it is. If its something you really want, you'll wait for the outcome.

In the meantime, you could try the TA as a Rupert. All areas covered then and if the police thing doesn't turn out, or you change your mind about it, then join the regs.

I did the Army thing because i wanted to soldier, then joined the police because I wanted to police. :roll: Enjoyed both and theres lots of areas in both to specialise if you want to adapt and move yourself.

My advice is do not do any job because it fills a gap. You'll end up bloody miserable and everyone who has to put up with your misery will want to kill you... :p

Good luck with either/both!
 
#15
Well said Oppo. I also support the 'If you want to be a soldier join the Army, if you do not want to be a soldier do not join the Army' thinking. Joining the Army just because the Police application process is taking too long is not a good reason to join up. The application process for the Army can also be a long one, it is not necessarily an overnight thing. I think you should take a long hard look at your reasons for wanting to join the police and also your reasons for wanting to join the Army and decide which one you really want at this point.
 
#16
Maybe he should join the RMP as a regular and be a little bit of both, or at least try that as RMP TA? Just a thought, but if its the policing world he's interested in then there's not much point becoming a Platoon Commander in and infantry Bn etc...

Either way mate, time to think about what you really want right now, then pi55 or get off the pot!
 
#17
Good suggestion Oppo but reading his post it doesn't seem to be quite what he is looking for. If he wants to do police work he would have to forget the idea of being an Officer. However he seems to have set his sights on being an Officer if joining the Army. Although I suppose he could do a few years in the ranks then go for commission. That then brings back the issue of things not happening fast enough for him.
 
#18
Oh well, he can't have it all his own way. You're right though HM, as a Provost Officer, he'll just be Billy Admin with some Provost Ops stuck in for silliness...

I also don't really see the correlation between being a commissioned officer in the army and being a probationer in the police. As a policeman, you won't walk in and jump into a car, or get to do something special, day one. You'll be walking the beat and making the tea, for a while, (times have changed a bit though). :oops:

You need to sort it out and decide what you really want to do Anon 1. You also need to take a long hard look at what your two considered jobs involve and your prospects in each as it appears you have your sights set very high at an early stage.

An officer in the army takes quite a while before he knows whats what and gets any respect, (if ever). In the police, you may be able to wangle faster promotion if you have a degree, (they're now ten a penny and even the likes of me have one ... finally... :roll: ), but don't kid yourself that the world will fall at your feet. There are lots of very capable men and women competing for the same things that you want.

If you want to make a difference, I think you'll learn that the old saying is true. Unless you're a very exceptional individual, the day you leave, it'll be like someone taking their hand out of a bucket of water from an organisational point of view and the army or police won't really notice your gone. Seems harsh, but with proper career succession planning, thats the way it should be.

Individuals will hopefully miss you and tell Anon 1 stories for years to come but as for making a difference, well that probably won't happen unless you lead the revolution! :)

For what its worth, my advice is weigh things up, pick the job you want, do your best, don't try to save the world on day one and keep your mouth shut until you know what you're talking about. That way, you'll be in the right job and will hopefully do well. It just takes time.
 
#20
OPPO said:
I also don't really see the correlation between being a commissioned officer in the army and being a probationer in the police. As a policeman, you won't walk in and jump into a car, or get to do something special, day one. You'll be walking the beat and making the tea, for a while, (times have changed a bit though). :oops:
That's one thing that motivated my deliberation. The high potential development scheme is currently under review and in a bid to take PC (sorry for the pun) to the nth degree they show no favouritism to any candidate irrespective of further qualifications, score at assessment centre, etc. That makes me sound like an arrogant sod but I worked hard to score highly at assessment and worked hard to study (and pay for my studies), getting a good degree, and just thought it would be appreciated at some point.... Also, there are horror stories of folk waiting two or three years just for a start date and I am no spring chicken. :wink:

My whole query came about as since childhood I was keen on joining as an Officer and then drifted away from the idea of the Army at Uni and went into the working world. After a year or so I realised that I was still keen on the public sector and having researched it and thought long and hard decided to apply to the police (now just under two years ago). As the Army is something that interests me I applied to join the TA (as an Officer) too. At the interviews and in communications the Army have suggested joining as a regular and after going to the Military Festival I felt it was worth investigating, especially as graduates get faster promotion.

Having read all the posts I think I just need to be patient and stick to my original plan rather than rush into anything. :oops: I'm just old-fashioned and ideally want a job for life...or until knackered. Doing something without wanting it 110% would be taking away the place of a good candidate and pissing off colleagues.

It's also been about two years since I last had a holiday so I think I might try and take a break and clear my head. :D If after detaching myself from my desk for a bit I think the Army is the career I want then I'll go for it.

Cheers one and all for the advice, much needed and appreciated. :thumright:
 

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