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Police Siege With Rambo Soldier

BrunoNoMedals

LE
Kit Reviewer
#2
Molenaar remains holed up in the house trading fire with police, while the two camouflaged armoured personnel carriers provide police protection.
What are they camouflaged as, speed bumps? He's in suburbia, not f*cking Borneo.
 

Biped

LE
Book Reviewer
#3
He's in a house, with no hostages, the neighbours are out, he's heavily armed and he's killed and injured people.

They've got access to APC's, which means there's probably a tank or two floating around too . . . . .

WTF is the problem?
 
#4
Biped said:
WTF is the problem?
Its New Zealand.
That means if the bloke has a firearms licence he could be armed with pretty much anything.
From a mate of mine who emmigrated out there last year, once you have a ticket you can legally buy just about anything that goes bang.
Chances are he is tooled up in a pretty major way.
 

Biped

LE
Book Reviewer
#5
jagman said:
Biped said:
WTF is the problem?
Its New Zealand.
That means if the bloke has a firearms licence he could be armed with pretty much anything.
From a mate of mine who emmigrated out there last year, once you have a ticket you can legally buy just about anything that goes bang.
Chances are he is tooled up in a pretty major way.
That's why I thought blowing the house up with a tank would end the problem. He's obviously not up for negotiating, he's obviously a major threat to life and limb, so, blow the fcuker up!
 
#7
jagman said:
Biped said:
WTF is the problem?
Its New Zealand.
That means if the bloke has a firearms licence he could be armed with pretty much anything.
From a mate of mine who emmigrated out there last year, once you have a ticket you can legally buy just about anything that goes bang.
Chances are he is tooled up in a pretty major way.

and whats wrong with that??? we should have the same thing....not watered down bullshit firearms deemed suitable us..........cunts :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :x :x :x
 
#8
joeblocky said:
jagman said:
Biped said:
WTF is the problem?
Its New Zealand.
That means if the bloke has a firearms licence he could be armed with pretty much anything.
From a mate of mine who emmigrated out there last year, once you have a ticket you can legally buy just about anything that goes bang.
Chances are he is tooled up in a pretty major way.

and whats wrong with that??? we should have the same thing....not watered down bullshit firearms deemed suitable us..........* :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :x :x :x
You're an idiot.

Moving on.... :roll:

Balls to it, just ram it with one of the APC's. Or both. :twisted:
 
#9
joeblocky said:
jagman said:
Biped said:
WTF is the problem?
Its New Zealand.
That means if the bloke has a firearms licence he could be armed with pretty much anything.
From a mate of mine who emmigrated out there last year, once you have a ticket you can legally buy just about anything that goes bang.
Chances are he is tooled up in a pretty major way.

and whats wrong with that??? we should have the same thing....not watered down bullshit firearms deemed suitable us..........* :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :x :x :x
You don't live in Hungerford or Dunblane do you, sharpshooter?

Remember, guns don't kill people. Rappers do.
 
#10
It's over. Police found him dead in a barricaded room yesterday. Going into the house at the centre of the Napier siege - where gunman Jan Molenaar was today found dead - was "extremely risky," police said.

Jan Molenaar had been holed up in a two-storey Napier house since early Thursday morning when he shot three policemen and a neighbour - killing one policemen and seriously injuring the others - during what was described by police as a regulation drugs raid.

The body found in the master bedroom of the Chaucer Rd address shortly after midday today is believed to be Jan Molenaar, operation head Superintendent Sam Hoyle told a 2pm press conference.

Police found explosives at the house and would maintain extensive cordons for some time yet.

"Explosives experts are assisting us to make sure the house is safe," Mr Hoyle said.

Immediate neighbours of Molenaar were still not able to return to their homes today while there was a danger the devices might explode, Mr Hoyle said.

The roads within the new cordon are Chaucer Rd South, Guys Hill Rd, Napier Terrace (from Chaucer Rd to Spencer Rd), all of Spencer Rd and Enfield Rd.

Police say the roadblocks will be in place for one or two days

"I understand completely people's frustration with being kept out of their homes. However we ask for patience for this next period while we let the explosives experts work.

"Once they hand the scene to police so we can commence a scene examination we can review our cordons and allow more people to return to their homes."

Police entered the siege house for the first time just after 11am this morning. It was "incredibly risky" to do so, Mr Hoyle said.

"We had achieved all we could without entering by exploring other tactics. This was a last resort if you like".

No one was harmed and no shots were fired in the operation.

Mr Hoyle was not able to say how or when Molenaar died, but he did say the body was still in the house.

"Those are both questions for the pathologist and the coroner who will determine ultimately the cause of death."

He was also not able to say what weapons were discovered at the house as the sole purpose for entering the house was to find Molenaar and confirm whether he was alive or dead.
It was revealed today armed police who had surrounded the house only fired two shots on the first day of the siege.

They were fired by one officer shortly after the policemen and Mr Holmwood were fired upon.

Other flashes seen by some members of the public coming from the armed police were from tear gas thrown into the house early this morning.

All other shots fired were from weapons used by Molenaar, Mr Hoyle said.

It was not known if Molenaar was injured by either of the police shots.

It was a "huge relief" that no other police officers or members of the public were injured during the siege, Mr Hoyle said.

"It was still a tragedy for (Molenaar's) family and for police this is just closing the final phase of an operation that was going to go for some weeks yet."

The announcement of the body's discovery came about an hour after LAVs, ambulances and Armed Offenders Squad vehicles were seen driving through a police cordon and up to the scene.

A number of inquiries into the incident will now start to get underway, Mr Hoyle said.

There will be a coronial inquiry, a homicide inquiry into the death of Mr Snee as well an investigation into the wounding of Mr Miller, Mr Diver and Mr Holmwood.

An investigation would also take place into the police operation, including reviewing decisions police had taken during the incident and tactical operations used.

It would also take into account the cannabis search warrant, which brought the three police officers to Chaucer Road at 9.30am on Thursday.

SHOT CIVILIAN NAMED

Police have named the neighbour who was shot by Molenaar on Thursday.

He is Leonard Holmwood, 44, of Napier.

Police have said Mr Holmwood, who was known to Molenaar, was shot when trying to disarm Molenaar as he fired at officers.

It had been an incredible relief to recover Senior Constable Len Snee's body, Mr Hoyle said.

"Having to leave him out there that first night was a hideous decision ... recovering him last night gave us a huge sense of relief."

Senior Constable Bruce Miller was still in intensive care, and police had been unable to speak to him.

Constable Grant Diver was in a general ward.

Mr Hoyle couldn't say what Molenaar's motivations were yet, he said.

Molenaar's actions seemed inexplicable and completely out of proportion to a cannabis search warrant, Mr Hoyle said.

"There's a long list of people to thank so I'm not going to attempt to mention everyone but there's been incredible patience displayed by those displaced people.

"There's been incredible generosity and kindness shown by numerous people."

Police staff had been incredibly dedicated, he said.

"We saw some truly heroic stuff, particularly in those first few hours when we recovered our wounded officers."

Armed offenders squad members arrived and rescued the injured Mr Diver all the while being allegedly fired upon by Molenaar.

Mr Miller was found by Detective Sergeant Tim Smith and two members of the public.

"They picked him up, put him in a car and took him from the scene. And again they did that under fire.

"I'm incredibly proud of the whole team," Mr Hoyle said.

POLICE DOG ALIVE

The police dog caught in the middle of the siege has been given a clean bill of health.

Sergeant Allan McRae this morning said that Fi had stayed silent for over 30 hours in the back of a police van which was "very, very unusual."

Fi's handler, Constable Diver, had been told of Fi's rescue and seemed to be "progressing well".

Fi, a specialist narcotics dog, was rescued during a focused operation to retrieve her around 10.30pm last night.
 
#11
I read in a Dutch newspaper the bloke was an emigré from Holland and was -off course, how pathetic- involved in marihuana trade while in New Zealand...

I'm not religious and don't do inherited sin, but I do feel some shame for the actions of this idiot.
 
#12
and whats wrong with that??? we should have the same thing....not watered down bullshit firearms deemed suitable us..........* :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :x :x :x[/quote]

You're an idiot.

Moving on.... :roll:

Balls to it, just ram it with one of the APC's. Or both. :twisted:[/quote]


explaine???? are one those daily mail reading dick heads that supports gun bans then?? or are you one those if it looks nasty then ban it unless the gun in qustion looks 'harmless'?? i put it to you that is you that is the idiot

ps. a bolt action rifle is just as lethal as m.16 rifle!!!

a 3 shot 12g semi auto shotgun is just as lethal as spas-12

.22 semi auto rifle is not as lethal as a single shot target 7.62mm rifle
ETC

DO YOU GET THE PICTURE SON.....AND ITS A PRETTY GORY ONE AT THAT!! :crash: :crash: :pissedoff: :pissedoff: :pissedoff:
 
#13
The licence should be issued to the owner of the firearms, not for the firearms themselves.

Good gun/bad gun is just absurd. Its the duty of the authorities to issue FACs to responsible and law abiding people, and not fuss over magazine capacities or barrel lengths. Its this diversion that allowed people like Hamilton to obtain guns in the first place. If they had looked at him rather than the guns they would have seen a lying paedo with paranoid delusions. His character was well known before his first FAC application in 1977, which contained provable lies. Had that alone been checked with just a phone call he would never have got his first FAC, and Dunblane would be an unknown Scottish town.

There was no conspiracy. It was incompetence.
 
#14
joeblocky said:
and whats wrong with that??? we should have the same thing....not watered down bullshit firearms deemed suitable us..........* :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :x :x :x
You're an idiot.

Moving on.... :roll:

Balls to it, just ram it with one of the APC's. Or both. :twisted:[/quote]


explaine???? are one those daily mail reading dick heads that supports gun bans then?? or are you one those if it looks nasty then ban it unless the gun in qustion looks 'harmless'?? i put it to you that is you that is the idiot

ps. a bolt action rifle is just as lethal as m.16 rifle!!!

a 3 shot 12g semi auto shotgun is just as lethal as spas-12

.22 semi auto rifle is not as lethal as a single shot target 7.62mm rifle
ETC

DO YOU GET THE PICTURE SON.....AND ITS A PRETTY GORY ONE AT THAT!! :crash: :crash: :pissedoff: :pissedoff: :pissedoff:[/quote]

i think the point you're missing here is that if every tom, dick and harry can get any weapon they choose, we'd end up with a lot more d!ckheads over here doing exactly what mr. Molenaar has just gone and done: shooting the royal crap out of the coppers, then holing up in their homes and shooting everything that moves.

and God knows there's plenty of d!ckheads who would do exactly that. do YOU want every chav to have a spas-12? or an M-16? or an AK-47?

jesus, the sheer carnage...
 
#15
joeblocky said:
and whats wrong with that??? we should have the same thing....not watered down bullshit firearms deemed suitable us..........* :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :x :x :x
You're an idiot.

Moving on.... :roll:

Balls to it, just ram it with one of the APC's. Or both. :twisted:

explaine???? are one those daily mail reading dick heads that supports gun bans then?? or are you one those if it looks nasty then ban it unless the gun in qustion looks 'harmless'?? i put it to you that is you that is the idiot

ps. a bolt action rifle is just as lethal as m.16 rifle!!!

a 3 shot 12g semi auto shotgun is just as lethal as spas-12

.22 semi auto rifle is not as lethal as a single shot target 7.62mm rifle
ETC

DO YOU GET THE PICTURE SON.....AND ITS A PRETTY GORY ONE AT THAT!! :crash: :crash: :pissedoff: :pissedoff: :pissedoff:
Learn to spell, and use grammar correctly, I find it hard to understand the language of the idiot.

I don't read the Daily Mail as a rule, unless I fancy something that I can read before I wipe my arse with it.

Personally, I don't particularly want any type of firearm pointed in my face, least of all a fully automatic weapon, or combat shotgun.

Since when are you going to find a USE for an assault rifle in the UK? You won't use it to fend off burglars, or an attacker, would you? Personally, I'll go for the knife, or baseball bat - in a confined space, I'd rather go for either of those over the likes of an M-16.

Any weapon, in the wrong hands, is deadly. Plus, you've already got idiots as it is with the likes of fully automatic weapons in London, and even a SPAS-12 has turned up. Thats on the black market. Want those legal, so we have more of it? Remember how many kids have died over the last year, due to gun violence? Now, imagine that, with legal firearms.

Use your brain, if you have one. :roll:
 
#16
I don't read the Daily Mail as a rule, unless I fancy something that I can read before I wipe my arse with it.

Personally, I don't particularly want any type of firearm pointed in my face, least of all a fully automatic weapon, or combat shotgun.

Since when are you going to find a USE for an assault rifle in the UK? You won't use it to fend off burglars, or an attacker, would you? Personally, I'll go for the knife, or baseball bat - in a confined space, I'd rather go for either of those over the likes of an M-16.

Any weapon, in the wrong hands, is deadly. Plus, you've already got idiots as it is with the likes of fully automatic weapons in London, and even a SPAS-12 has turned up. Thats on the black market. Want those legal, so we have more of it? Remember how many kids have died over the last year, due to gun violence? Now, imagine that, with legal firearms.

Use your brain, if you have one. :roll:[/quote]



and how much gun crime was commited by legally owned firearms?? i think you find it under 1% of the overall gun crime!
 
#17
joeblocky said:
I don't read the Daily Mail as a rule, unless I fancy something that I can read before I wipe my arse with it.

Personally, I don't particularly want any type of firearm pointed in my face, least of all a fully automatic weapon, or combat shotgun.

Since when are you going to find a USE for an assault rifle in the UK? You won't use it to fend off burglars, or an attacker, would you? Personally, I'll go for the knife, or baseball bat - in a confined space, I'd rather go for either of those over the likes of an M-16.

Any weapon, in the wrong hands, is deadly. Plus, you've already got idiots as it is with the likes of fully automatic weapons in London, and even a SPAS-12 has turned up. Thats on the black market. Want those legal, so we have more of it? Remember how many kids have died over the last year, due to gun violence? Now, imagine that, with legal firearms.

Use your brain, if you have one. :roll:


and how much gun crime was commited by legally owned firearms?? i think you find it under 1% of the overall gun crime![/quote]

What's your point? If we legalise it, then you'll just increase the "legitimate, sensible" userbase and the stats will stay the same?
 
#18
If that 1% causes some innocent people to be victimised or lose their lives, constraints have to be in place to reduce that. For those who believe that's bollox, would you be of the same mind if it was a member of your family that was injured or murdered?

As someone said earlier, its the owner that needs serious vetting. It's also ensuring firearms are properly and adequately stored. That said, as Squiggers points out, what does anyone really need to own an assault rifle for?
 
#19
OPPO said:
If that 1% causes some innocent people to be victimised or lose their lives, constraints have to be in place to reduce that. For those who believe that's bollox, would you be of the same mind if it was a member of your family that was injured or murdered?

As someone said earlier, its the owner that needs serious vetting. It's also ensuring firearms are properly and adequately stored. That said, as Squiggers points out, what does anyone really need to own an assault rifle for?

there will always be gun crime regardless of how many bans the government puts in place......taking all guns away from law abiding people does nothing but arms only the criminals and the police!!!! the fac system in the uk is very strict.....and 1% of gun crime committed by law abiding is pretty good figure compared to the rest of world!! also fac holders should be alllowed to use they firearms to defend them selves and their families....the crimials always bang on about their human rights....isnt self defence a human right?? ps..define an assault rifle and no, a semi auto centre fire rifle IS NOT an assault rifle!

if law abiding people are allowed to use their licensed firearms for self defence i bet most crimals will think twice before robbing somones house, terrosim them, attacking them etc.....and dont give this shit that this will only make the criminal arm him self because if he did then he would be shot (as allowed by the criminal law act 1967) by the fac holder so no loss!! if you believe the criminal is that circumstance becomes the victum when he chooses to put a gun at a fac holder then dies because of it then you are some sort of cnut of the highest order and i suggest if you ever have your family being attacked dont do anything and ring 999 :roll: :x
 
#20
You're unable, or more likely unwilling to read between the lines. I never said I have anytime for the human rights of criminals over those of law abiding citizens, or say people shouldn't protect their homes and families WHEN lawfully permitted to do so. Remember, you and I don't make the laws, we all have to live by them whether we like them or not and that's what you're not getting here.

That said, law abiding people DO NOT have the right to shoot people breaking into their homes "just because". Each case is taken on the individual set of circumstances and as most criminals are not armed with firearms, you'll be rolling the dice on what happens to you.

Due to idiots who have FAC's, using firearms unlawfully, shooting at, or near people, waving them around like mongs, or going way offside mentally and shooting innocent people etc., we end up with laws to limit ownership and use. Like it or not, it's there!

If you had managed to read what I posted, I said the vetting of the owner, (FAC holder), and the way the firearms are stored is the most important area. After that, consideration is needed as to the intended use of and need for the type of firearm in question? Anyone who thinks that's an inappropriate approach to assess who should own firearms is the type of person who shouldn't own them.

Read the posts and understand them before going off on one trying to sound like some sort of hard man who'll be shooting everyone that breaks into their home. If you do, the first time you wave whatever firearm(s) you own around, you'll lose it/them and give the "no guns" lobby more ammunition to restrict ownership more than they do now. Like it or not, its the law.

If you happen to shoot some kid breaking into your home, you'll be banged up, unarmed with the criminals you think the firearms will protect you from. You'll be really popular.

As for your little post end "mad face", grow up, I'm extremely unimpressed. :roll:
 

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