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Oh, possibly, either way it's a thing that can happen- don't want the Army dragged through the mud for this sort of thing.Int Corps, wasn't it?
Oh, possibly, either way it's a thing that can happen- don't want the Army dragged through the mud for this sort of thing.Int Corps, wasn't it?
Watching too many action films.
@ThelmatheBelmer - genuine question: Have you ever carried a pistol outside of a shooting range? Or carried one at all?
There is absolutely no shame in not having done so, but what you're describing just sounds like something that someone who has only ever seen firearms in use on TV.
You don't put empty cases back into your weapon; you don't cock your pistol to de-escalate the situation - certainly this wasn't taught on any of the courses that I ever went on, and I never heard of it being taught elsewhere either.
If you've ever been taught these things I'd be interested to know where / who by.
Why would you chamber a used casing rather than either a) a live round or b) not chamber anything?
Edit: Also, what safety devices did the pistol / holster have?
Why would you chamber a used casing rather than either a) a live round or b) not chamber anything?
Edit: Also, what safety devices did the pistol / holster have?
...but not if you are in an operational (both military or otherwise) situation.
Why would you chamber a used casing rather than either a) a live round or b) not chamber anything?
Edit: Also, what safety devices did the pistol / holster have?
...but not if you are in an operational (both military or otherwise) situation.
Funny, from the moment I joined and was trained with firearms, christ was it really 42 years ago [emoji15] we were trained to have finger outside the trigger guard until the weapon was aimed and ready to fire, that was from Walther and Sterling, through Ruger Speed Six, M-1 Carbine, AC-556, SLR , Hk long arms, baton guns and finally Glocks before I retired.
Just what is your experience?
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Walther PP carried on and off duty 1978-82, Ruger Speed Six. 357 on and off duty 1982-2000, Glock 17 2000-2005 on and off duty. The only times in over 26 years I didn't have a handgun either on my person or within reach was on a couple of weeks a year when I was out of the country on holiday, since retirement I still shoot handguns for sport so at total of 42 years handgun experience including instruction.It had a safety, and the holster was a full lock, with a personalized nylon webbing and the plastic clip thing (sorry, can't remember the name) that you get with a daysack. The nylon stretches, and has to be replaced regularly, but I only had to replace a couple of the clips.
I've never claimed I was. It's very good practice to not be subjected to a live fire situation in the first place.
Lot of longs there... Not many sidearms.
Walther PP carried on and off duty 1978-82, Ruger Speed Six. 357 on and off duty 1982-2000, Glock 17 2000-2005 on and off duty. The only times in over 26 years I didn't have a handgun either on my person or within reach was on a couple of weeks a year when I was out of the country on holiday, since retirement I still shoot handguns for sport so at total of 42 years handgun experience including instruction.
My own handguns, Walther PPK and P99, Tanfoglio. 45 1911, S&W Model 29 44 Magnum. Also trained on Sig 226 and 228 when in the RUC during weapon evaluation, a few others I have shot, Colt Python, Webley, Enfield, P-38, Luger, Browning, HK USP, various 1911s including Colt and Kimber, S&W Model 10, CZ 75 and 85, various Glocks in different calibers, numerous. 22 pistols and revolvers
Just what experience do you have again?
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@ThelmatheBelmer
I would suggest that the quality of instruction from your "less than law abiding individuals" many not have been the best. Especially their escalation / de-escalation drills.
They appear to have taken some of their knowledge from Schwarzenegger films.
Just what experience do you have again?
none
It's like getting a straight answer from Bugsy* with you.The instructions didn't come from them.
What total Bollox........It's like getting a straight answer from Bugsy* with you.
Would you care to share who instructed you that:
a) You should keep an empty case in the chamber; and
b) that racking a handgun was a method of deescalation?
*I know; too harsh. I'm sorry.
Easy to disarm someone if you step in while they have it in a shoulder holster. Wear two holsters, one for seated draw, the other for upright. Scout holster in the back for standing and something similar on the off side while seated should work. Take up little space and easy to transfer unobtrusively, rather than thrashing about under jacket.
A very long time ago I ‘lost’ my gat for about 2.5 seconds once when moving out of a LUP where we’d been all night, and then some. In that length of time a couple of still-functioning brain cells figured out that something important was missing, did a complete inventory of all the heavy crap I was supposed to be carrying, concluded it was important, instructed me to break out in the coldest of sweats, visualise the impending charge sheet and calculate the probable discharge after a lifetime of doubling round the square sans cap and belt. I took three paces to the rear, retrieved it just before my bowels were scheduled to open and it never left my clenched hands until prised out of them at the armoury. It never happened again.
This VIP needs protection.
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Boris likes finding out who are the hotties that could guard him.
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Our masters must have their Praetorian Guard.
Makes them feel important.
It's like getting a straight answer from Bugsy* with you.
Would you care to share who instructed you that:
a) You should keep an empty case in the chamber; and
b) that racking a handgun was a method of deescalation?
*I know; too harsh. I'm sorry.
So you are the sort of totally untrained mong who I would kick off a range in about two seconds and wouldn't leave in charge of a water pistol.A) No-one. It was a way to prevent inclusions.
B) Because at the time, I was dealing with people who weren't stupid. If required, they'd have an entirely unconnected chap pop along to have a word. The word would have been mostly "ouch".