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One of Dominic Raab’s police protection officers leaves his Glock on a plane, second time this has happened this year. Is it time the military took over VIP protection services from Scotland Yard, or is this just a blip that can be sorted with additional training and better SOP’s?
 
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Donny

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One of Dominic Raab’s polIce protection officers leaves his Glock on a plane, second time this has happened this year. Is it time the military took over VIP protection services from Scotland Yard, or is this just a blip that can be sorted with additional training and better SOP’s?
What, because a soldier would never do such a thing?

Alert after soldier leaves gun in Sainsbury's toilet
 

Daxx

MIA
Book Reviewer

One of Dominic Raab’s polIce protection officers leaves his Glock on a plane, second time this has happened this year. Is it time the military took over VIP protection services from Scotland Yard, or is this just a blip that can be sorted with additional training and better SOP’s?
No.
 
No. Yes.
 

Hat20

LE
Never happened before..?...but its news still gleefully received none the less by many who will feed on the silly billy's 'misfortune'...
As often happens...the more specialist your are/deemed to be the more spectacular the f%*k ups.
 

MoleBath

LE
Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer

One of Dominic Raab’s polIce protection officers leaves his Glock on a plane, second time this has happened this year. Is it time the military took over VIP protection services from Scotland Yard, or is this just a blip that can be sorted with additional training and better SOP’s?
Perhaps he was showing the stewardess his big "gun"
 

Joshua Slocum

LE
Book Reviewer
this is not a new problem
here is the cure in my Fathers day
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What makes you think the military are any better qualified or trained than the police?


When in NI, or anywhere, did the police go out on patrol in bricks, or confront a baying mob, all tooled up, or confront insurgents in Irac, Afghanistan, sierra Leone, Aden, Kenya, Kuwait, the Balkans, etc etc

Armed trained soldiers have been around long before the police were ever thought of.
 

Duke_of_Kaos

War Hero
Glock 19, that's a bit of a departure, though the 17 was the carry all for UK
17 is general carry for most ARU, CTSFO types, 19 tends to be carried by those in more discrete posts. Not sure I would class it as smaller enough to forget when getting off a plane though.

Stand up, check pockets, wallet, passport, phone, 1/2kg of pistol, bugger where did I put it.
 
What makes you think the military are any better qualified or trained than the police?
I was asking the question, I don’t know if the military would do a better job or not, it was a topic I wanted to debate, as I said, would it benefit from better SOP’s? After all, surely a belt holster on a plane is not the best way of concealing a weapon, surely shoulder or ankle Is better?
The police officer must have released the belt to leave it on the seat. Therefore if the SOP says weapons must be holstered and kept on the body at all times in public areas, he’s not following SOP’s and therefore doesn’t have a leg to stand on, likewise if the SOP says a weapon is to be carried on a holster on a waist belt, again that’s not appropriate for sitting on an aircraft for long periods.
Would better training be appropriate, is it lack of funding? Would special forces soldiers have better training and drills to cope with the duties of protecting VIP’s, or would their more robust conditioning and training prevent such cock-ups? Not sure, I’m just putting it out there for you guys to debate.
 
I might have identified the problem. It is essentially one of multitasking and distraction.

Adjust rake of seat - Take care of personal firearm.

Idly fiddle with overhead air nozzles and reading lights - Take care of personal firearm.

Ignore flight safety demonstration - Take care of personal firearm.

Open complimentary packet of smoked almonds - Take care of personal firearm.

Kick away spilled contents of above as bag splits apart - Take care of personal firearm.

Flick aimlessly through in-flight magazine without reading it - Take care of personal firearm.

Break plastic cutlery - Take care of personal firearm.

Watch stewardess bending over to access lower shelf on trolley - Take care of personal firearm.

Decide which film to watch - Take care of personal firearm.

Select duty-free items from trolley - Take care of personal firearm.

With so many distractions assaulting the senses within a high-pressure environment, can it be any surprise that there are occasional minor lapses of concentration?
 

One of Dominic Raab’s police protection officers leaves his Glock on a plane, second time this has happened this year. Is it time the military took over VIP protection services from Scotland Yard, or is this just a blip that can be sorted with additional training and better SOP’s?
And you think that a 'soldier' couldn't do the same thing and lose a weapon? How many weapons go missing from HM Forces every year? A lot more than from plod I'd imagine.
 
And you think that a 'soldier' couldn't do the same thing and lose a weapon? How many weapons go missing from HM Forces every year? A lot more than from plod I'd imagine.
I don’t know statistics on the matter, I would hope SF soldier incidents of weapon loss are much lower than the average squaddie, perhaps you have the figures to hand and can enlighten us?
 
I wish that I was as confident of my immunity to cock-ups as those enjoying the schadenfreude around these blokes. Who hasn't had close calls of life and or career changing magnitude? I did a joint patrol from RUC Pomeroy and as we moved off from the heli drop off I saw a magnum on the ground and the empty holster of the copper in front of me. A tap on the shoulder, the colour draining from the blokes face followed by a nod of thanks and it was done. If I had been looking elsewhere that copper's career might have been over.
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
Book Reviewer
What makes you think the military are any better qualified or trained than the police?

Bits of the military are probably ahead of the police in all things firearmsy, the chaps in Hereford spring to mind.
 
One of my lads left an IWS loafing in a farmyard in NI. First thing we knew about it was when a car pulled up and the driver handed it back to us.

What was a bit strange was that we were just on the outskirts of Crossmaglen!
 

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