Police Officers Ambushed in Washington

#2
YANK60 said:
Four police officers were shot and killed at a coffee shop near Seattle. This makes five cops killed in this area in a month.

Link
Here's a idea stop hanging out where they sell donuts, job jobbed....
 
#3
Used to live/work about a mile from the coffee shop....

In the immediate vicinity there are a fair few low rent apartment complexes, trailer parks and so on. Any number of possible places for some low life with a grudge.
 
#4
Pompey_Jock said:
Used to live/work about a mile from the coffee shop....

In the immediate vicinity there are a fair few low rent apartment complexes, trailer parks and so on. Any number of possible places for some low life with a grudge.
You used to live in Lakewood, WA? Wow, that's a coincidence. Interestingly, the link I posted changed as the story was updated. I haven't seen that happen before.
 
#6
Betcha, he isnt taken alive.....


I pray he resists so the PD can use his skull as a Colander afterwards
 
#7
Might end up like the incident last year in Georgia or Florida (forget which)
A man shot and killed one deputy, seriously wounded another and also shot and killed a police dog.
Reporter: "Why did you men fire 67 rounds"
Sheriff: "That's all the ammunition they had"
Like his style.

From what I read the shop is owned by a retired cop and sits on the border of the next jurisdiction and cops us it to meet, swap information and use the wi-fi to do paperwork on their laptops. It was not a robbery gone wrong, not with 4 marked cruisers in the parking lot. Sounds like a revenge sort of thing by someone who hates cops.
 
#8
It's not gang-related either. Gang-bangers, scum though they may be, aren't this stupid. They're agenda is drug business, and something like this would kill it. Every baggy-panted cnut in 3 states would be rousted. This is a lone nut.
 
#9
YANK60 said:
You used to live in Lakewood, WA? Wow, that's a coincidence. Interestingly, the link I posted changed as the story was updated. I haven't seen that happen before.
Apologies for diverging from the main thrust of the thread........

Not Lakewood, which I always took as being the other side of I-5, but the Parkland/Midland area - but yes, spent 5 years over there. Still go back over to visit every year or two.
 
#10
Here's more on this 'Maurice Clemmons' guy that they wish to speak to...

The Pierce County Sheriff's Department has identified a person of interest in the November 29, 2009, murder of four Lakewood Police officers. The person of interest is Maurice Clemmons, a 37 year old black male from the Parkland area of Pierce County. Clemmons is 5'8" tall, 235 lbs., with black hair, brown eyes, and a mole on his left cheek.

Clemmons has extensive violent criminal history from Arkansas, including aggravated robbery and theft. He has also recently been arrested and charged in Pierce County for Assault 3rd on a Police Officer and for Rape of a Child.

Clemmons should be considered armed and extremely dangerous.
UPDATE: Clemmons, described as a person of interest in the fatal shooting today of four Lakewood police officers, was granted clemency in 2004 by Mike Huckabee, then governor of Arkansas.

A 2004 news account from the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette described the decision:

Pulaski County prosecutors dropped aggravated-robbery charges Monday against a 32-year-old Little Rock man paroled in 2001 after Gov. Mike Huckabee commuted the man's 95-year sentence.

Maurice Clemmons served 11 years after his conviction for aggravated robbery in 1989. He was paroled in August 2000. Huckabee cited Clemmons' young age at the time of his sentence - 17 - in the proclamation announcing the clemency.

After his release from the state Department of Correction, Clemmons violated his parole and was returned to prison in July 2001. He was released March 18, 2004.

Little Rock police obtained a warrant charging Clemmons with two counts of aggravated robbery and theft in the March 26, 2001, robberies of Gary Ervin and Jennifer Chime. The robberies occurred when Clemmons was out on parole.

But the warrants were not served for three years until Clemmons, now 32, was being released from state prison.

Defense attorney Stephen Morley asked Circuit Judge Barry Sims to dismiss the new charges. Morley argued that too much time had elapsed between the issuance of the warrant and Clemmons' arrest.

In a brief hearing Monday in Sims' court, prosecutors announced they would drop the charges.
UPDATE No. 2: Local charges against Clemmons date to May and July. Jail records show Clemmons was arrested and released four times between May and September, and most recently released from jail Nov. 24, five days before the Lakewood shootings.

In May, Clemmons was charged with multiple counts of third-degree assault and malicious mischief. The May 9 incident occurred in the 13100 block of 12th Avenue South, court documents state. Clemmons and two accomplices were confronted about multiple vehicles with broken windows. A sheriff’s deputy tried to arrest the two accomplices, who fought.

During the struggle, Clemmons emerged from a house and joined in the fight, punching the deputy in the face. A second deputy arrived, and the three men were arrested. Jail records indicate Clemmons bailed out of jail on May 11.

In July, Clemmons was arrested and charged with second-degree child rape. He bailed out on July 27. Prosecutors also discovered that Clemmons had an outstanding arrest warrant from the state of Arkansas. The Arkansas warrant was dismissed in July.

Prosecutors trying to multiple charges ordered Clemmons to undergo a mental evaluation to determine his competency to stand trial. Clemmons was found competent, according to court records.
 
#12
DavidBOC said:
Might end up like the incident last year in Georgia or Florida (forget which)
A man shot and killed one deputy, seriously wounded another and also shot and killed a police dog.
Reporter: "Why did you men fire 67 rounds"
Sheriff: "That's all the ammunition they had"
Like his style.
The clip is doing the rounds on the internet. When they start riddling him, they also shoot the police dog who'd run in to attack him.

Abive the sounds of mixed weaponry firing, you cab plainly hear "Ma dawg, ma dawg................you shot ma dawg'
 
#13
FiveAlpha said:
DavidBOC said:
Might end up like the incident last year in Georgia or Florida (forget which)
A man shot and killed one deputy, seriously wounded another and also shot and killed a police dog.
Reporter: "Why did you men fire 67 rounds"
Sheriff: "That's all the ammunition they had"
Like his style.
The clip is doing the rounds on the internet. When they start riddling him, they also shoot the police dog who'd run in to attack him.

Abive the sounds of mixed weaponry firing, you cab plainly hear "Ma dawg, ma dawg................you shot ma dawg'
#


Well, it's the land of the free and every man has a a right to carry a gun. They love spouting that one but get outraged when someone goes off on one. They can't have their cake and eat it when some nutter runs amok.

Gutted about the dawg though. RIP fella.....
 
#14
Seem they may have the guy they want to 'talk to' holed up in a house, further north, in Seattle.... and further shots fired.

SEATTLE –

Shots have been fired at a Seattle house where a man sought in the coffee-shop slayings of four police officers may be holed up.

The widely spaced, deliberate gunfire appeared to be directed toward the house by surrounding police. The shots followed negotiators' use of loudspeakers and explosions to prod Maurice Clemmons. Authorities in the region have been seeking Clemmons in the Sunday morning shootings of four Lakewood officers, about 30 miles from the Seattle house.

There was no audible response from the house. Police spokesman Jeff Kappel had earlier said police weren't sure anyone was in the house, and refused to comment on the negotiator's tactics.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

SEATTLE (AP) - Police searching for the killer of four officers gunned down in a suburban coffee shop used a loudspeaker and explosions early Monday morning to prod a man apparently holed up in a Seattle house to give himself up.

Police around the region had been searching for Maurice Clemmons, 37, whom they say was near the coffee shop some 30 miles away from the Seattle house.

Officers surrounding the house shone lights on the house and called out to Clemmons by name, saying: "Mr. Clemmons, I'd like to get you out of there safely. I can tell you this, we are not going away."

Any response from inside the house was inaudible from the vantage of a photographer for The Associated Press. But shortly thereafter, police began using sirens outside the house, and there were several loud bangs before the negotiator resumed speaking.

"This is one of the toughest decisions you'll make in your life, but you need to man up."

Seattle Police spokesman Jeff Kappel declined to comment on the ongoing negotiations; earlier he had said officers weren't sure Clemmons was even in the house.

"We're not going to give you a blow-by-blow," Kappel said.

A few minutes later, more bangs were followed by the sound of breaking glass and then a louder explosion.

Clemmons, 37, who had a lengthy prison sentence commuted by former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee nearly a decade ago, became the prime target Sunday in the search for the killer of Lakewood Police Sgt. Mark Renninger, 39; and Officers Ronald Owens, 37; Tina Griswold, 40; and Greg Richards 42.

Clemmons is believed to have been in the area around the time of the shooting, but Pierce County Sherriff's spokesman Ed Troyer declined to say what evidence might link him to the shooting.

Investigators say they know of no reason that Clemmons or anyone else might have had to open fire on the four as they sat working on their laptops early Sunday morning, catching up on paperwork at the beginning of their shifts.

"We're going to be surprised if there is a motive worth mentioning," said Troyer, who sketched out a scene of controlled and deliberate carnage that spared the employees and other customers at the coffee shop in suburban Parkland, about 35 miles south of Seattle.

"He was very versed with the weapon," Troyer said. "This wasn't something where the windows were shot up and there bullets sprayed around the place. The bullets hit their targets."

Troyer said teams of investigators were working on various aspects of the case, including tracing Clemmons' finances, looking into his past arrests and other criminal history and canvassing neighborhoods he was known to frequent.

"We've been on his trail and we're still on his trail," Troyer said.

Richards' sister-in-law, Melanie Burwell, called the shooting "senseless."

"He didn't have a mean bone in his body," she said. "If there were more people in the world like Greg, things like this wouldn't happen.

Clemmons has an extensive violent criminal history from Arkansas, including aggravated robbery and theft, the sheriff's office said. He also recently was arrested and charged in Washington state for assaulting a police officer, and second-degree rape of a child. Using a bail bondsman, he posted $150,000 - only $15,000 of his own money - and was released from jail last week.

Documents related to the pending charges in Washington state indicate an unstable and volatile personality. In one instance, he is accused of punching a sheriff's deputy in the face, The Seattle Times reported. In another, he is accused of gathering his wife and young relatives and forcing them to undress, according to a Pierce County sheriff's report.

"The whole time Clemmons kept saying things like trust him, the world is going to end soon, and that he was Jesus," the report said.

The four officers were with the 100-member police department of Lakewood, which adjoins the unincorporated area of Parkland, where the shootings took place.

An impromptu memorial of an American flag, flowers and candles decorated the front yard at Renninger's home on Sunday night. A motorcade of dozens of police cars and motorcycles with lights flashing escorted the bodies of the four officers to the medical examiner's office.

Troyer said investigators believe two of the officers were killed while sitting in the shop, and a third was shot dead after standing up. The fourth apparently "gave up a good fight."

"We believe there was a struggle, a commotion, a fight ... that he fought the guy all the way out the door," Troyer said. "We hope that he hit him." Investigators were asking area medical providers to report any gunshot wounds, although it wasn't clear that the gunman was wounded.

An electronic tracking bracelet police believe Clemmons was wearing at the insistence of the bail-bond company was found cut off by police on Sunday, Troyer said. Clemmons is believed to have associates who have helped him evade police in the past, Troyer said.

In 1989, Clemmons, then 17, was convicted in Little Rock for aggravated robbery. He was paroled in 2000 after Huckabee commuted a 95-year prison sentence. Huckabee, who was criticized during his run for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008 for granting many clemencies and commutations, cited Clemmons' youth. Clemmons later violated his parole, was returned to prison and released in 2004.

There was no indication of any connection between Sunday's killings and the Halloween night shooting of a Seattle police officer.

Authorities say the man charged with that shooting also firebombed four police vehicles in October as part of a "one-man war" against law enforcement. Christopher Monfort, 41, was arrested after being wounded in a firefight with police days after the Seattle shooting. He remains hospitalized in stable condition, the hospital said Sunday.

The officers killed Sunday were a patrol squad made up of three officers and their sergeant. No threats had been made against them or other officers in the region, sheriff's officials said.

"We won't know if it's a copycat effect or what it was until we get the case solved," Troyer said.
 
#15
scuba_frog said:
Well, it's the land of the free and every man has a a right to carry a gun. They love spouting that one but get outraged when someone goes off on one. They can't have their cake and eat it when some nutter runs amok.
But of course, if everyone else in the cafe had been armed, this wouldn't have happened would it :roll: ?

msr
 
#16
msr said:
scuba_frog said:
Well, it's the land of the free and every man has a a right to carry a gun. They love spouting that one but get outraged when someone goes off on one. They can't have their cake and eat it when some nutter runs amok.
But of course, if everyone else in the cafe had been armed, this wouldn't have happened would it :roll: ?

msr

No - there would have been 104+ dead as untrained and heavily armed civvies shot anything and everything that moved. That's why we give guns to the forces in this country
 
#17
FiveAlpha said:
DavidBOC said:
Might end up like the incident last year in Georgia or Florida (forget which)
A man shot and killed one deputy, seriously wounded another and also shot and killed a police dog.
Reporter: "Why did you men fire 67 rounds"
Sheriff: "That's all the ammunition they had"
Like his style.
The clip is doing the rounds on the internet. When they start riddling him, they also shoot the police dog who'd run in to attack him.

Abive the sounds of mixed weaponry firing, you cab plainly hear "Ma dawg, ma dawg................you shot ma dawg'
Can't find the video though http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angilo_Freeland
 
#18
DGSx said:
FiveAlpha said:
DavidBOC said:
Might end up like the incident last year in Georgia or Florida (forget which)
A man shot and killed one deputy, seriously wounded another and also shot and killed a police dog.
Reporter: "Why did you men fire 67 rounds"
Sheriff: "That's all the ammunition they had"
Like his style.
The clip is doing the rounds on the internet. When they start riddling him, they also shoot the police dog who'd run in to attack him.

Abive the sounds of mixed weaponry firing, you cab plainly hear "Ma dawg, ma dawg................you shot ma dawg'
Can't find the video though http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angilo_Freeland
the remaining law enforcement unloaded 67 more rounds into Freeman at a 3 foot range with 78% accuracy :D
 
#19
I bet it 100% fcuked his day up though......
 
#20
scuba_frog said:
msr said:
scuba_frog said:
Well, it's the land of the free and every man has a a right to carry a gun. They love spouting that one but get outraged when someone goes off on one. They can't have their cake and eat it when some nutter runs amok.
But of course, if everyone else in the cafe had been armed, this wouldn't have happened would it :roll: ?

msr

No - there would have been 104+ dead as untrained and heavily armed civvies shot anything and everything that moved. That's why we give guns to the forces in this country
Usual ignorance -- Clemmons, as a convicted felon, was not legally permitted to own firearms, let alone carry them.

You will, of course, be able to point me to a news report with the situation you describe happening then, won't you?

No, you won't. Because CCW permit holders are responsible people (otherwise they get their permits pulled) and I would wager on average better shots than your average cop.
 

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