or Drunk TanksThere was a serving/ex copper who did a series on Radio 4 a while back who 'swore in' the audience and then ran them through various scenarios drawn from his experiences. he came up one case of a drunk and disorderly on a Saturday night and asked the audience whether to arrest the man or give him a verbal warning, he then pointed out that there were only three or so cops in the area and arresting the man would mean he was off the street for at least an hour doing the paperwork.*
The audience agreed that a warning would probably suffice. All through this shift as various events occurred there simply weren't enough boots on the ground to arrest the 'minor' offenders until they pushed their luck too far.
It was quite an eye opener to listen to.
Maybe handcuff them to a lamppost for a roving van to pick up Judge Dredd style might be looked at.
I'm obsessed with the past because things seemed to work back then, with lower numbers and much less money splashing about.One last time; how many more people are there to police now as to the sixties? How many more offences on the statute books?
You said yourself, numbers crashed post 2010. We are policing 2020 population numbers with police numbers that haven’t kept up.
You’re obsessed with the past.
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Like I said, visit your PCC.I'm obsessed with the past because things seemed to work back then, with lower numbers and much less money splashing about.
You keep harping on about police numbers, but these have moved largely in tandem with the general population. The massive increase in crime (a hundred-fold, at least) occurs after "modern" police methods were introduced.
The old methods demonstrably worked for over a century, despite absolutely massive social changes and two world wars. The current methods have consistently failed, despite every possible adaptation and reform.
We haven't got money to waste; back to bobbies on the beat!
Is that s3 or s4 of the Vagrancy Act? I know you hate the police but has it occurred that just maybe we’re not exaggerating? That nationally we have been seen off and there actually isn’t enough of us to function properly?I have written to my PCC several times; once to bring the ability of the Chief Constable of Durham to reduce crime despite the cuts and, another time, to remind him of the Vagrancy Act and that begging is illegal and that this law should be enforced.
In return, I just receive the odd patronising email reminding me How Those Evil Tories Took Away Our Policemen.
Why can't people do their job?
It was a while since I heard the programme so I got the timings wrong but did remember it was hours, I suspect he might have said something along the lines of half a shift at the station plus the paddy wagon VOR for the rest of the night if somebody threw up in it.Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, he was joking right? On a Saturday night in Brent or Hillingdon in the Met, it would take 4 hours just to book them into custody. I have happy memories of Hillingdon one summer night of groups of officers and there prisoners (still cuffed) sitting by the vans happily chatting away waiting to be booked in. The same drunken prisoner you were fighting on the streets with less than an hour before. They would usually be sober by the time they were booked in. Some of the Drink-Drive still blew over though.
Bloody hell, Shaw Taylor... complete with 70s balding man's artfully teased Neil Diamond hairstyle. Was he Jewish? If he wasn't, he should have been.Is that s3 or s4 of the Vagrancy Act? I know you hate the police but has it occurred that just maybe we’re not exaggerating? That nationally we have been seen off and there actually isn’t enough of us to function properly?
There’s 120,000 of us, we’re not all lazy twat. Anyway, earlies tomorrow, I’m off, don’t have nightmares.
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Promote the best people for the job you say! Now there is a novel concept. I like it. But I don't think it will catch on. Its too radical for todays public services, not just the police.promote the best people for the job I believe the Police remains stuffed.