Well thanks, first one, we'll be friends foreverI'm very much a supporter of the police (except North Wales the dodgy scruffy incompetent bastards). And I don't want all of them routinely armed.
I support the NHS and the fire brigade too, there's only so many hours in the week, which should I join?
Have a dumb.
There are even more reasons that that but he wont ever accept any of them, they never do.Target shooting ? Deer Management ? Fox control after the hunting ban ? Rabbits ? Avian pests ? The fascination of handling precision engineered heat engines ?
Really? Are you sure?
There are plenty of eastern european AKM and Scorpian types coming in by car from thr far reaches of the EU.Really? Are you sure?
Maybe true for shot guns but pistols? There've been no legal pistols to steal since the 90, so more than a quarter of a century. Rifles I don't think they feature much in crime. Guns that go 'Braap!'? illegal so not owned by law abiding types.
That leaves rent a gun and converted replicas.
In both New Zealand and Norway response officers carry firearms in the car so they can choose to take them out if they are reacting to something where they might be needed, or leave them locked in the car if they don't think they will need them.Here's an interesting Wiki page which seems authoritative enough.
Whilst it lists NZ, Iceland, Ireland and Norway as the only countries along with UK that do not routinely arm normal response/patrol officers, a quick read through the text seems to indicate that NZ and Norway are apparently in a stage of movement towards arming, and Ireland routinely arms plain clothes/detective officers. Maybe it is only coincidental that two of the worst recent spree shootings in the world have occurred in two of these countries - Brevik in Norway, and the Christchurch mosque atrocity. So that really only leaves tiny frozen Iceland as a direct comparator to UK.
The text also shows that UK public opinion about arming police is almost perfectly divided, 47/48% with a 5% "don't know" (presumably.)
True to say that a Guardian poll of early 2017 shows only 25% support amongst the UK police themselves.
These are nationwide figures, and it would be instructive to see similar polls broken down by force areas. The polls of police opinions might also reveal a more interesting tale if the views of response coppers were taken separately from the overall polls of the Federation. As the Fed represents all officers up to Chief Inspector, it's certain that there are a great many, probably a sizeable majority, who are never placed in dangerous situations.
Cut and pasting from other sources," In October 2000, Nottinghamshire Police introduced regular armed patrols to the St Ann's and Meadows estates in Nottingham, in response to fourteen drug-related shootings in the two areas in the previous year. Although the measure was not intended to be permanent, patrols were stepped up in late 2001 after further shootings, after which the firearms crime declined dramatically."
'In 2010, following the serious injury of an unarmed officer in a knife attack, the chairman of the Police Memorial Trust, Michael Winner stated that he had put up memorials to 44 officers and that he believed, "It is almost certain that at least 38 of those [Police Officers] would be alive had they been armed." '
There is no point in getting bogged down in the details of implementation here - yes, there would be costs, delays, arguments, mistakes, accidents; but the UK is no longer an island of peace, good order and tranquility in the world, that is a conceit.
PSNI no longer in the UK?I don't want the police routinely armed.
I like the UK as it is, pretty much, and that's a profound change that needs to be in a manifesto.
I just don't see a need. How often, in reality, is there not a firearms cop when you need one? How often does an unarmed (apart from pepper spray, tazer and stick) think "oh l really need a 9mm"?
Plus, on a practical level, the current firearms cops are apparently pretty well trained and equipped.
What sort of time input is needed to remain proficient to a modern policing standard on a pistol? That time is time away from policing. We are chronically short of bobbies as it is.
If memory serves there were several warning indicators, and incidents, that Hamilton should have had his guns sized. The Local Plod failed to do so. There have been accusations of freemasonry and other such shady dealings on the subject.Genuine question, why, what and how?
I'm not doubting you