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Police gone soft?

No.
Different situation but I concede it's a hard one to argue.
In the Guardsman wearing a turban situation, he may have said 'This item is important to me, may I wear it?'
The police situation appears to be the police saying 'Can we design a new uniform just for female Muslim officers?'.
To be honest, I don’t really care a jot about either scenario. If a Muslim female in an area that is heavily populated with other Muslims, has the fortitude to kick the mould and join then I’m not particularly bothered if they provide a uniform in which she feels more comfortable. As was mentioned, the Force was approached, they didn’t unilaterally decide.

I’m fairly sure that it will be important to some Muslim females. I know Sikh colleagues who don’t wear a turban but that doesn’t lessen others feelings.
 
To be honest, I don’t really care a jot about either scenario. If a Muslim female in an area that is heavily populated with other Muslims, has the fortitude to kick the mould and join then I’m not particularly bothered if they provide a uniform in which she feels more comfortable. As was mentioned, the Force was approached, they didn’t unilaterally decide.

I’m fairly sure that it will be important to some Muslim females. I know Sikh colleagues who don’t wear a turban but that doesn’t lessen others feelings.
True.
Being honest, my judgment may be clouded by my personal views about that faith. I cannot argue with the logic you present and I hope it works out (genuinely - it may do).
 
I think we had him here as our C.C.
Not the man you are thinking of Joshua. This one has never policed a day in his life.
He was a railway inspector who was given the task of reforming Police TCOS...mainly to save money. He zealously applied himself and basically screwed over an entire generation of bobbies who overnight needed to work ten years longer for a lower pension. I'm fortunate to be an old git so was in a protected category, but only just. The pension was just part of his hatchet job.
He showed no understanding of the demands of policing.
But he does love to dress up in his HMIC uniform.
Tom Winsor....look him up.
 

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Not the man you are thinking of Joshua. This one has never policed a day in his life.
He was a railway inspector who was given the task of reforming Police TCOS...mainly to save money. He zealously applied himself and basically screwed over an entire generation of bobbies who overnight needed to work ten years longer for a lower pension. I'm fortunate to be an old git so was in a protected category, but only just. The pension was just part of his hatchet job.
He showed no understanding of the demands of policing.
But he does love to dress up in his HMIC uniform.
Tom Winsor....look him up.
aha he looks very similar a wet behind the ears nothing,
 
I’m not a million miles away from your area. I can picture the chief constable you have in mind.
 
@wetsmonkey

That'd be the "independent" pay review board that introduced us all to "Healthy Churn"!

Like the "independent" HM Inspector of Constabulary......

Look at all that braid. Unlike Judas he doesn't even need to use his 30 piece of silver to buy a rope.

Feck, he just looks ridiculous.
If I was ever smart (and connected) enough to be appointed to that role, it would be smart suit every time.
 
There is, the Police Federation.

Have a look at how much Mrs May hated them


On a point of historical curiosity, UK Police have had no industrial rights since 1919 and the police strike.

Indeed, were police officers to discuss a work to rule, handing in driving/firearms tickets, I would imagine this bit of law would be given a run out



And indeed, even if you blow a whistle (on what the commissioner was force to admit was true), you'll be hounded until you resign.

Whistleblower resigns from police

So really, as a UK police officer you may as well just lay back and enjoy it.

Though if you said that to a victim, you'd be sacked.
Regarding AFO's handing in their blue tickets: didn't that happen during the investigation into the Harry Stanley shooting? I would imagine few things concentrate the minds of politicians like the possibility of losing their Pretorian Guard.
 
Regarding AFO's handing in their blue tickets: didn't that happen during the investigation into the Harry Stanley shooting? I would imagine few things concentrate the minds of politicians like the possibility of losing their Pretorian Guard.
It was certainly discussed. I don't think it was actually carried out, primarily due to the threat under the offence at the Police Act of casuing disaffection.

Thing is, there is always the urge to escape relief policing and go to SO. The continual waste of highly trained personnel leaving is another thing, but the job has demonstrated it doesn't give a hoot about the loss of capability.

The mantra will always be, we can cope. Until the senior leaves, and then they sudden grow a spine.
 
It was certainly discussed. I don't think it was actually carried out, primarily due to the threat under the offence at the Police Act of casuing disaffection.

Thing is, there is always the urge to escape relief policing and go to SO. The continual waste of highly trained personnel leaving is another thing, but the job has demonstrated it doesn't give a hoot about the loss of capability.

The mantra will always be, we can cope. Until the senior leaves, and then they sudden grow a spine.
Your Wiki Powers are weak, old man. You should not have come back. ;)

In protest over the suspensions, 120 out of the 400 Metropolitan Police officers authorised to carry firearms handed in their firearms authorisation cards, with Glenn Smyth, a Police Federation spokesman, saying, "The officers are very concerned that the tactics they are trained in are now in doubt".
 
After speaking to a mate (although a while ago)who was an AFO,it seems to me that the very LAST thing the cops want is for an AFO to actually use his weapon.Also,I get the impression that former squaddies don't often get on a firearms unit.
Correct me if I am wrong.
 
After speaking to a mate (although a while ago)who was an AFO,it seems to me that the very LAST thing the cops want is for an AFO to actually use his weapon.Also,I get the impression that former squaddies don't often get on a firearms unit.
Correct me if I am wrong.
I know of plenty of ex mil who are AFO/ARV/SFO/CTSFO. I also know of some who didn’t get in and are not suitable.
 
My team is about a 60/40% split, with the 40 being ex forces. As an instructor I can say that it probably gives you an early advantage in terms of familiarity around firearms and built in safety. But beyond that, the two agencies are quite different, so look for different attributes. Both agencies use firearms, but employ them in very different ways.
Some elements have recently become a bit more 'military', but there hasn't been a noticeable advantage to the ex soldiers.
 
My team is about a 60/40% split, with the 40 being ex forces. As an instructor I can say that it probably gives you an early advantage in terms of familiarity around firearms and built in safety. But beyond that, the two agencies are quite different, so look for different attributes. Both agencies use firearms, but employ them in very different ways.
Some elements have recently become a bit more 'military', but there hasn't been a noticeable advantage to the ex soldiers.
Safety is interesting.
My mate is/was a skilly,as was I.He did say that some of the weapon handling made him wince.
 
The average pass rate on an Initial Firearms Course is around 40%.... which I think is reflected nationally. The course is now 12 weeks long. Simply put you don't get through if you aren't up to it. We teach all the weapon systems first, before any tactics, on the basis that if you can't get to grips with your tools, there's no point continuing.
I have no doubt that once qualified, some people become complacent or lazy, but if that shows out on refresher training it will be gripped. Up to and including pulling authorisation.
There seems to be a school of thought that we are playing at firearms in the police. Far from it these days. I am under greater scrutiny than I ever was in the army, so it is in my interest as an SFO to do things properly.
 
The average pass rate on an Initial Firearms Course is around 40%.... which I think is reflected nationally. The course is now 12 weeks long. Simply put you don't get through if you aren't up to it. We teach all the weapon systems first, before any tactics, on the basis that if you can't get to grips with your tools, there's no point continuing.
I have no doubt that once qualified, some people become complacent or lazy, but if that shows out on refresher training it will be gripped. Up to and including pulling authorisation.
There seems to be a school of thought that we are playing at firearms in the police. Far from it these days. I am under greater scrutiny than I ever was in the army, so it is in my interest as an SFO to do things properly.
"...one pace in front of your chairs,stand by...GO!
I expect SAA training in the plod is not like Brecon.
Or is it?
 

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