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Police Commissioners and her Majesty the Queen ... how's that working by the way ?

#1
Magna Carta tells HM the Q that she can only appoint constables who know the law of the realm and who are minded to keep it well.

She takes an oath at Coronation by which she weds her people and becomes their sole fount of justice in mercy and sole fount of honour.

The constables swear to her so that her Coronation Oath binds their oaths as independent Ministerial Officers of the Crown.

Along comes some case law circa 1783 which says it is essential for the existence of our realm that constables can be charged with duties "By whomsoever and in whatsoever way".

Suppose a loyal subject avails his right, essential to the existence of the Realm, to go directly to a constable and charge him with a duty.

The constable replies "I am already prioritized by the Police Commissioner"

The Constable obeys his "management" and divides his oath. Thus yielding by betrayal his office of constable. He can no longer be a police officer paid by public purse to exercise Crown independent office.

And the Police Commissioner by mandatory Common law must be reported promptly to the Justices on suspicion of treason. This report is mandatory on any person having knowledge that the constable failed to act without fear or favour.

Suffolk may be particularly interesting because the new Commissioner is refusing to give up his tory county cllr position and plans to be an elected politician and police commissioner in the same jurisdiction at the same time.

What's yer story funny tory ? Insulting HM the Q with such impunity.
 
#6
Your case law doesn't state that the constable must instantly stop what he was doing to undertake said 'charging with duties'. Smacks to me that the Constable thinks of how to execute his duties, and the commissioner has some shout in when/what duties to execute.

Sort of Police Mission Command type thing. No prejudice to constable's oath etc.
 

Bouillabaisse

LE
Book Reviewer
#7
In any case, the Magna Carta is unenforceable since it was signed under threat of violence. A contract is not legal if signed under duress and there is sufficient evidence from the barons themselves that the king was forced to sign. Since our entire legal system is starts from the presumption of rights in the Magna Carta it follows that there is no enforceable law in Britain other than the monarch's fiat. Long live the Queen!
 
#8
In any case, the Magna Carta is unenforceable since it was signed under threat of violence. A contract is not legal if signed under duress and there is sufficient evidence from the barons themselves that the king was forced to sign. Since our entire legal system is starts from the presumption of rights in the Magna Carta it follows that there is no enforceable law in Britain other than the monarch's fiat. Long live the Queen!
Does the Monarch own a Fiat, and here was me thinking she cabbied around in something altogether more realy :)
 

TheIronDuke

ADC
Book Reviewer
#11
Magna Carta tells...
******* solicitors. How many more times? Action. Not words. Or your invoice is getting well queried.

Can I hang our new Police Commissioner from a lamp post and what laws / rights do I cite when the Rozzers rock up? I take it that, as my solicitor, you will be right by my side and grinning, yes?
 
#12
******* solicitors. How many more times? Action. Not words. Or your invoice is getting well queried.

Can I hang our new Police Commissioner from a lamp post and what laws / rights do I cite when the Rozzers rock up?
Just tell 'em you're a Freeman on the Land and that you reject their piffling Maritime courts. That will send them shuffling off muttering under their breath like the Jacks-in-office they are. Oh yes.
 

TheIronDuke

ADC
Book Reviewer
#13
Just tell 'em you're a Freeman on the Land and that you reject their piffling Maritime courts. That will send them shuffling off muttering under their breath like the Jacks-in-office they are. Oh yes.
See? It's not rocker science. Why can I not hire sensible solicitors who talk in plain English. Like her

^ ^ ^
 

TheIronDuke

ADC
Book Reviewer
#16
It's no good hiring solicitors. You need to hire judges.
Don? Don? Is that you? Speaking from beyond the grave? Hey, Don, listen I can explain. We was mugged by some big boys and they took your money then I went to Barbados to chase them and somehow setup two hotels, a car hire business, a stripper joint and a wholesale butchers.

So, how's it going now that you are dead? Can you reach down and strangle people in their sleep? Or are you just a voice in my head?

Don.jpg
 
#17
Magna Carta tells HM the Q that she can only appoint constables who know the law of the realm and who are minded to keep it well.

She takes an oath at Coronation by which she weds her people and becomes their sole fount of justice in mercy and sole fount of honour.

The constables swear to her so that her Coronation Oath binds their oaths as independent Ministerial Officers of the Crown.

Along comes some case law circa 1783 which says it is essential for the existence of our realm that constables can be charged with duties "By whomsoever and in whatsoever way".

Which case?

Suppose a loyal subject avails his right, essential to the existence of the Realm, to go directly to a constable and charge him with a duty.

The constable replies "I am already prioritized by the Police Commissioner"

Why would the constable say that? The Police Commissioner has no authority to give the Constable orders.

The Constable obeys his "management" and divides his oath. Thus yielding by betrayal his office of constable. He can no longer be a police officer paid by public purse to exercise Crown independent office.

And the Police Commissioner by mandatory Common law must be reported promptly to the Justices on suspicion of treason. This report is mandatory on any person having knowledge that the constable failed to act without fear or favour.

Which mandatory common law is that?

Suffolk may be particularly interesting because the new Commissioner is refusing to give up his tory county cllr position and plans to be an elected politician and police commissioner in the same jurisdiction at the same time.

What's yer story funny tory ? Insulting HM the Q with such impunity.



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#18
I blame Mike Fuller for all this. If he hadn't tipped knocknee over the edge we wouldn't have to subjected to the mutterings of his newest version bouncebanna.

Wibble!
 
#19
Knock knee,

"I do solemnly and sincerely declare and affirm that I will well and truly serve Our Sovereign Lady the Queen in the office of constable, without favour or affection, malice or ill will ; and that I will to the best of my power cause the peace to be kept and preserved, and prevent all offences against the persons and properties of Her Majesty's subjects ; and that while I continue to hold the said office I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law."

Above is the oath that I took. At what point does it say that I take orders from a police commissioner? At what stage does the Police Commissioner have the power to issue orders or instructions to anyone other than the Chief Constable? What case law of 1783 do you refer to?


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