Police blogger "disciplined"

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  1. Linky here

    I think it's a real shame - I spent a lot of time reading his blog and found it very informative, not to say shocking in places. Apparently the site's been removed completely, so nobody else can get the benefit of it. Of course, I can't sympathise completely, since he must have known the consequences of getting found out. But I can't help feeling we have the crux of the matter below:

    Criticising ministers? Censor him immediately!
  2. Oh dear. When will people realise that telling the truth in 21st century Britain just won't do.
  3. Poor b@stard will be in one of Broon's Re-Education Camps by now... 8O

    What a fcuking state this country's in! :x
  4. I think that the greatest tribute to Nightjack has to be to reproduce and pass on the knowledge from one of his best posts:

    A Survival Guide For Decent Folk

    2008 July 24
    by nightjack**04/08/08 Moderate Sarcasm Warning **

    Paul has posted a number of lengthy replies on the “Modest Proposal” thread. In these days of us increasingly having to deal with law abiding folk who have fallen foul of the “entitled poor” and those who have learned how to use us to score points and exact revenge, I thought it would be a good idea to give out a bit of general guidance for those law abiding types who find themselves under suspicion or under arrest. It works for the bad guys so make it work for you.

    Complain First

    Always get your complaint in first, even if it is you who started it and you who were in the wrong. If things have gone awry and you suspect the cops are going to be called, get your retaliation in first. Ring the cops right away and allege for all you are worth. If you can work a racist or homophobic slant into it so much the better.

    Make a counter allegation

    Regardless of the facts, never let the other side be blameless. If they beat you to the phone, ring anyway and make a counter allegation against them. Again racism or homophobia are your friends. If you are not from a visible minority ethnic culture, may I suggest that that the phrase “You gay bastard” or similar is always useful. In extremis allege sexual assault. It gives us something to bargain with when getting the other person to drop their complaint on a quid-pro-quo basis. This is particularly good where there are no independent witnesses. When it boils down to one word against another and nobody is ‘fessing up, CPS run a mile and you, my friend, are definitely on a walk out

    Never explain to the Police

    If the Police arrive to lock you up, say nothing. You are a decent person and you may think that reasoning with the Police will help. “If I can only explain, they will realise it is all a horrible mistake and go away”. Wrong. We do want to talk to you on tape in an interview room but that comes later. All you are doing by trying to explain is digging yourself further in. We call that stuff a significant statement and we love it. Decent folk can’t help themselves, they think that they can talk their way out. Wrong.

    Admit Nothing

    To do anything more than lock you up for a few hours we need to prove a case. The easiest route to that is your admission. Without it, our case may be a lot weaker, maybe not enough to charge you with. In any case, it is always worth finding out exactly how damning the evidence is before you fall on your sword. So don’t do the decent and honourable thing and admit what you have done. Don’t even deny it or try to give your side of the story. Just say nothing. No confession and CPS are on the back foot already. They forsee a trial. They fear a trial. They are looking for any excuse to send you home free.

    Keep your mouth shut

    Say as little as possible to us. At the custody office desk a Sergeant will ask you some questions. It is safe to answer these. For the rest of the time, say nothing.

    Claim Suicidal Thoughts

    A debatable one this. Claiming to be thinking about topping yourself has several benefits. If you can keep it up, it might just bump up any compensation payable later. On the other hand you may find yourself in a paper suit with someone watching your every move.

    Always always always have a solicitor

    Duh. No brainer this one. Unless you know 100% for sure that your mate the solicitor does criminal law and is good at it, ask for the Duty Solicitor. They certainly do criminal law and they are good at it. Then listen to what the solicitor says and do it. Their job is to get you off without the Cops or CPS laying a glove on you if at all possible. It is what they get paid for. They are free to you. There is no down side. Now decent folks think it makes them look like they have something to hide if they ask for a solicitor. Irrelevant. Going into an interview without a solicitor is like taking a walk in Tottenham with a big gold Rolex. Bad things are very likely to happen to you. I wouldn’t do it and I interview people for a living.

    Actively complain about every officer and everything they do

    Did they cuff you when they brought you in? Were they rude to you? Did they racially or homophobically abuse you? Didn’t get fed? Cell too cold? You are decent folk who don’t want to make a fuss but trust me, it pays to whinge and no matter how trivial and / or poorly founded your complaint there are people who will uncritically listen to you and try and prove the complaint on your behalf. Some of them are even police officers. Nothing like a complaint to muddy the waters and suggest that you are only in court because the vindictive Cops have a grudge against you. Far fetched? Wait until your solicitor spins it in court and you come over as Ghandi.

    Show no respect to the legal system or anybody working in it

    You think that if you are a difficult, unpleasant, sneering, unco-operative and rude things will go badly for you and you will be in more trouble. No sirree Bob. It seems that in fact the worse you are, the easier things will go for you if, horror of horrors, you do end up convicted. Remember to fake a drink problem if you haven’t developed one as a result of dealing with us already. Magistrates and Judges do seem to like the idea that you are basically good but the naughty alcohol made you do it. They treat you better. Crazy I know but true.

    So there you go, basically anything you try and do because you are decent and staightforward hurts you badly. Act like an habitual, professional, lifestyle criminal and chances are you will walk away relatively unscathed. Copy the bad guys, its what they do for a living.
  5. good post!
  6. Outstanding post labrat. Totally true. I had a tape recorded interview once - after I left the Job- Irefused to even look at the interviewing officer let alone speak. It did unsettle the bastard.

    Never accept a caution at the police station. Always make out that Crown Court is the answer.
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  7. JINGO

    JINGO War Hero Book Reviewer

    I read a quote once I forget who it was attributed to (may have been Orwell) at the time I felt it described the Blair years however it works here. It is "In times of universal deceit telling the truth becomes an act of war"
  8. True words, I have a mate ( ;-) ) who is good as gold and he got smashed by the courts for a drunken scuffle in a nightclub. He was too nice and the CPS saw him as an easy target and good for their figures.

    Any more of the blog survived on googles cache etc?
  9. Brilliant! Without doubt one of the best - and potentially most useful - Posts I've read on ARRSE! :clap:
  10. A crying shame. Nightjack is one of the better plod blogs out there. A typical reaction from the senior management of the OB who don't want the public to know what a shambles policing in the UK has become.

    hence the recent introduction of regulatiuons that make a diciplinary offence of undermining confidence in the police.

    Even if it is the truth.

    edited to add.

    The survival guide for decent folk is the best bit of advice anyone could give to anyone decent caught up in the "Home orrifice standards for crime recording"

    I do laugh at the recent clamour to get on board with the "Policing Pledge" as if that's going to build the confidence of the general public.

    We lost that particular dressing room with the introduction of the National Crime Recording Standards, and Safety Camera Partnerships.
  11. Mr Justice Eady at his best again. If you're rich and well connected you can get privacy (or at least try for it if he can get away with it), if you're a poor sod on the ground just trying to say what's happening you'll get screwed.

    I wonder how long before somethings done about some of the posts on here?
  12. Any readers of Private Eye on here: Isn't Mr. Justice Eady the judge who keeps upholding dodgy and spurious libel complaints on behalf of the wealthy?
  13. You'll be next run hide flee for you life.......
  14. Mind you, The Times were the bastards that did for him. Tabloid journalism hiding behind a facade of respectability.
  15. The wheels are already in motion mate. Come November I'll (hopefully) be wrestling bears.