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Police at it again

#1
Looks like the police are at it again on the speeding camera saga I cant help but think if this had been a company etc the owner would have been charged with withholding evidence or whatever they use in this case. So not only do they allow coppers to drive at 150 mph on the motorway they don't even know who was driving their cars no such thing as a works ticket/vehicle log then? :roll: hypocrisy
 
#2
brettarider said:
Looks like the police are at it again on the speeding camera saga I cant help but think if this had been a company etc the owner would have been charged with withholding evidence or whatever they use in this case. So not only do they allow coppers to drive at 150 mph on the motorway they don't even know who was driving their cars no such thing as a works ticket/vehicle log then? :roll: hypocrisy
Police driving on motorway at speed for driving experience (with training officer or try out handling of new car model) would not be too bad - if it was logged beforehand i.e. not because somebody just wanted to exceed speed limit and risk lives for silly reason e.g. get back early for tea break.

Note that "The force" are paying the fine - as well as paying for the courts time i.e. us, the tax payer.

Also note that the driver does not get any points on his/her driving license - like we would.
 
#3
Who gives a shit? 47 in a 40 is no big deal now is it? If the vehicle was a multi user one it is quite easy for the log book not to be completed.

As for 150 on a motorway wasn't that at 4 in the morning, with an Advanced Driver familiarising himself with a new vehicle? Again, so what?
 
#4
Rapier said:
Who gives a s***? 47 in a 40 is no big deal now is it? If the vehicle was a multi user one it is quite easy for the log book not to be completed.

As for 150 on a motorway wasn't that at 4 in the morning, with an Advanced Driver familiarising himself with a new vehicle? Again, so what?
Been done to death on here try searching the forums, think the conclusion was, It was not training, it was a big boys toys jolly and he got away with it!!
 
#5
Rapier said:
Who gives a s***? 47 in a 40 is no big deal now is it? If the vehicle was a multi user one it is quite easy for the log book not to be completed.

As for 150 on a motorway wasn't that at 4 in the morning, with an Advanced Driver familiarising himself with a new vehicle? Again, so what?
Just read your post again!
Are you a copper by any chance :?:
 
#6
Rapier said:
Who gives a s***? 47 in a 40 is no big deal now is it? If the vehicle was a multi user one it is quite easy for the log book not to be completed.

As for 150 on a motorway wasn't that at 4 in the morning, with an Advanced Driver familiarising himself with a new vehicle? Again, so what?
You must be a copper. Two years ago the South Wales Police prosecuted several of the best drivers in the World Rally Championship GB round for speeding on public roads. Does the same argument carry ie Best drivers in the world with the best cars in the world. I think not. Kettle Black
 
#7
Rapier said:
Who gives a s***? 47 in a 40 is no big deal now is it? If the vehicle was a multi user one it is quite easy for the log book not to be completed.

As for 150 on a motorway wasn't that at 4 in the morning, with an Advanced Driver familiarising himself with a new vehicle? Again, so what?
So if like the MoD if your works ticket/log book is not completed before taking to the roads your insurance is invalid? So not only was a speed limit broken but the car in question should not have even been on it! And as for the 47 in a 40 zone no it's no big deal unless your not in the police then it's fines points on licence etc just proved by your own admission its a 2 tier system :x
 

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#8
What's really wrong with it is the dear old bobby's now think he/she is above the law when it comes to speeding - provided they do it in their own patch - how long before they think they are above the law full stop. Mind you it would be nice to meet a bobby on the beat - come under rare breed in my part of ther world.

Mind you some of my best golfing chums are plods.
 
#9
But you all seem to over look the bit of the Law that says a police vehicle, being used for a police purpose is exempt the speed limits! As for the Insurance all Police Vehicles come under the block insurance system. And no I'm not a copper, but I was and regularly exceeded the speed limits on nights, when safe, to practice my skills. Like all skills, practice is required or they lessen.

And if I had a quid for every time someone said, "You took your time getting here" having driven across London at Mach 2, I'd have about 12 quid.
 
#11
The court heard "diligent inquiries" failed to track down the driver of the car, which was caught travelling at 47mph in a 40mph zone in June.
I've used that excuse before and got away with it too :wink: That said, that was my first speed fine and my second ever fine since driving.

But IMO this one just smells as much bol locks as that 'I was just testing out the car boss' excuse:
Last month, a South Yorkshire officer was cleared of speeding on his way to pick up a Chinese takeaway after being caught by a camera on the same road.
Pc Stephen Akrill, 41, was caught by the speed camera driving a police Land Rover at 48mph in a 40mph zone. But he said he was on his way to an accident and magistrates, who heard the officer had ordered the takeaway in advance, cleared him.
 
#12
The point about rally drivers is very apt. Imagine going into court on a speeding charge of some double the 70 mph and producing certificates from the Advanced Motorists, yea many sertificates from the schools that do track training for skids and circuit racing along with ten year no claims bonus. Say "I've been trained so it is all right" and see where it gets you.
I'm against high speed police driving at an time. Be more aggressive at those who doze in front of 2 tones and flashing lights. Use the number plate technology to track escaping vehicles. Get the choppers up. Get a matrix of blockinmg cars. High speed driving for real does, I'm told, require that someone in the control room deal with the red mist aspect - who does that on the un=planned cabbys at night? Who keeps my old aunt in her 1950 Austin 7 away from the well trained driver?
 
#13
Rapier said:
But you all seem to over look the bit of the Law that says a police vehicle, being used for a police purpose is exempt the speed limits!
Define 'police purpose' closer. By extension, anything a policeman ever does or has done could be put under that heading by some smart arrse lawyer
And if I had a quid for every time someone said, "You took your time getting here" having driven across London at Mach 2, I'd have about 12 quid.
I agree. Thank you for your efforts but I would not wish catching some 'joy-riding' yobbo exposing an innocent party (or the police driver to the risk of serious injury or death. Look at all the trouble a fast moving Black Rat caused Paul McCartney!
 
#14
I read the hypocrisy link and it states the officer was,
speeding and when questioned stated he was on route to an accident.

It seems he was infact off to collect a takeaway.

And then he got off with the offence!!. ffs

Respect for the law? Maybe
For the upholders? Going plughole pdq.
 
#15
Look at all the trouble a fast moving Black Rat caused Paul McCartney
AAAAng on as I understand it the dozy bint stepped out in front of the bike, p1ssed was she?, a bit like the journo bint who was p1ssed and stepped out in front of the van on its way to a 'shout'.........but now I've 'bit' lets ave the abuse then.......... :roll:
 
#16
OldRedCap said:
Thank you for your efforts but I would not wish catching some 'joy-riding' yobbo exposing an innocent party (or the police driver to the risk of serious injury or death. Look at all the trouble a fast moving Black Rat caused Paul McCartney!
The trouble is, you never know what a car is refusing to stop for, what you may think is a simple car thief may have some little girl tied up in the boot! If they run they need to be caught, I agree that as soon as a Heli is available the need to keep them in sight reduces, but you still need to be close enough to get hands on. I once tried to stop a car in Wood Green, North London, it took off and a chase followed. Eventually, after some very high speeds, the bandit car turned into a dead end, and my colleague and I caught the two occupants after a bit of fisticuffs. Turned out they were part of an active IRA cell and had several AK47's and bomb making kit in the boot!

Should I have aborted the chase because of the speeds? And if I had what would the press have had to say about the police NOT preventing people being killed by IRA bombers? Can't win can we?

As for Heather McCartney, she stepped in front of a DPG Motorcycle that had it's siren and lights on. So not really a police mistake. Of course the police (and other emergency services) need to drive at speed. Yes, there are some risks but the benefits outweigh them. And police drivers do need to practice, on public roads, when safe! However I will agree that it should only be by those who are Advanced Driver trained. Once upon a time you couldn't drive a panda car without a 2 week course and even then NOT on blue light calls. Now, because it's cheaper, if you have a licence you can drive a panda!
 
#17
Think I actually witnessed the record breaking convoy of 8? Police cars doing 150mph ish on the M25, the 1st one overtook me like an Exocet, the fact it was followed by another 7 shocked me even more.
 
#18
FNUSNU said:
Think I actually witnessed the record breaking convoy of 8? Police cars doing 150mph ish on the M25, the 1st one overtook me like an Exocet, the fact it was followed by another 7 shocked me even more.
WOW 150mph, I'll have to see if our force can get some of those!!!!! Pleaaaaseee give us a break, a convoy of 8 cop cars at speed on motorway was probably a high risk escort, eg transporting a high risk Cat A prisoner, but 150 no chance more like 90-100 and even then with the state of our motorways not for long.... And yes I know I am now going to be bombarded with the example of the bobby in the v6 Vectra doing 155mph, but as I understand it , it was a plain and unmarked car. Put a roof/light bar plus the multitude of aerials and straight away the top speed is knocked down by at least 20mph. So FNUSNU was it really 150 ?or were you just plodding along at 70 ish and the convoy went past about 90, it appears fast because all the lights and sirens were probably going as well (they are when ever i've done a high risk escort). :roll:
 
#19
FNUSNU said:
Think I actually witnessed the record breaking convoy of 8? Police cars doing 150mph ish on the M25, the 1st one overtook me like an Exocet, the fact it was followed by another 7 shocked me even more.
Unmarked? ISTR seeing probably that many in a loose convoy speeding up the M11. They definately werent hanging around and were doing @ a ton when they overtook my Minibus
 
#20
Rapier said:
OldRedCap said:
Thank you for your efforts but I would not wish catching some 'joy-riding' yobbo exposing an innocent party (or the police driver to the risk of serious injury or death. Look at all the trouble a fast moving Black Rat caused Paul McCartney!
The trouble is, you never know what a car is refusing to stop for, what you may think is a simple car thief may have some little girl tied up in the boot! If they run they need to be caught, I agree that as soon as a Heli is available the need to keep them in sight reduces, but you still need to be close enough to get hands on. I once tried to stop a car in Wood Green, North London, it took off and a chase followed. Eventually, after some very high speeds, the bandit car turned into a dead end, and my colleague and I caught the two occupants after a bit of fisticuffs. Turned out they were part of an active IRA cell and had several AK47's and bomb making kit in the boot!

Should I have aborted the chase because of the speeds? And if I had what would the press have had to say about the police NOT preventing people being killed by IRA bombers? Can't win can we?"

Too true!

Half the cars round Wood Green and Tottenham wont stop anyway (No licence/insurance/wanted/illegals etc) but you never know why someone's running from you.

The helicopter's great if it can get airborne and to you in time - that's if its available (weather,fuel,pilots), and youre not allowed to put blocking cars out as they may crash into you and someone could get hurt (seriously we cant!).

Stinger can only be used by traffic units in certain - limited- circumstances, and a pursuit wont always take place near a stinger equipped traffic car. Even if it does, the powers that be wont authorise it's use incase the scrotes crash and sue the job.

So, in order to keep sight on the scrotes who are making off, we need to keep up with them ie drive fast, whether it be operationally or in training.

I've seen Army cars driving at high speed along major routes and when they've been checked, we've been told to leave well alone - and justifiably so.

I hate speed cameras as much as the next man but all emergency service vehicles need to drive quickly at some point, hence the legal exemptions are there.
 

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