Poles launch campaign for Enigma code-breaking recognition

#3
The fact that they think that they have not been properly recognised is a news point worthy of note. That they want more recognition ditto.

From a current prospective, Poland is standing up amongst the EU nation states and demanding recognition concomitant with their status as a nation of what? 40 million.
 
#4
The Poles broke Enigma when it was (essentially) a commercially available encoding device for traffic.

Up until 1938 it wasn't that secure, but from 38 onwards it got ever more elaborate. Including the U-Boat versions, more wheels being added and even a book 'code' used to shorten sentances, with several options that could be used.

Oddly they never used these for Herr [insert rank] or Heil Hitler (the salutation at the end of each message) which was an epic fail.

The Poles certainly provided the base line, and inspired the future breakers, but let's not go nuts over the Polish contribution.

Worth noting that the Royal Signals were the first British troops in to combat and were the only British Troops to be subjected to a gas attack in the securing of the enigma.
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team were sent to radio back procedings. Usual c0ck up, truck couldn't carry the stuff, gene packed up, batteries leaked and radios were fcuked. But they did managed to grab as much code breaking info as they could AND even a whole 1939 vintage (modified) Nazi Enigma machine.

(all in the Vital Link, the story of the Royal Signals 1920 - 1988 (IIRC)).
 
#5
"In both popular literature and official information the public was told that the breaking of the Enigma codes was due to the work of the British intelligence services to the complete omission of the work of Polish scientists," reads the resolution.

It's funny that because every book I've ever read on the enigma gives full credit to the Polish contribution. The fact is that the Poles only got so far with the breaking of the codes. It was Bletchley that made the full scale reading of German traffic (in a timescale that made the intelligence usable)a reality, especialy when the Germans increased the number of wheels.

The 2001 film Enigma, in particular, ruffled Polish feathers. The British production starring Kate Winslet and set in Bletchley Park made little mention of the Polish contribution to cracking the codes, and rubbed salt into the wounds by depicting the only Pole in the film as a traitor.

To then say that a fictional film is not historicaly accurate, is like saying Pravda may have been politicaly biased.

I'm glad the Polish govt. have finaly recognised their contribution, but that takes nothing away from the amazing results produced by Turing and his oppos.
 
#6
The fact that they think that they have not been properly recognised is a news point worthy of note. That they want more recognition ditto.

From a current prospective, Poland is standing up amongst the EU nation states and demanding recognition concomitant with their status as a nation of what? 40 million.
The Poles did important very early work. That work should not be under or equally over estimated. Once the unpleasantness really kicked off the work done by the Poles was rapidly rendered obsolete by the addition of additional plug boards and wheels etc.

The fact the Poles want recognition is a little bit silly when you google and get back over a million responses. How much recognition do they need?
 
#7
Only like us kicking off over shaving private ryan and U571 or what ever it was.
 

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#9
Bloody Poles, coming over here, pinching our codebreaking jobs...........

Don't you realise that if it wasn't for those Poles all those doleys sitting on the steps of the social office, with their dogs on a bit of string waiting for their gyros could have been working at GCHQ!

Don't get me started about Monte Cassino, Falaise Gap and Arnhem!
 
#10
The Poles did important very early work. That work should not be under or equally over estimated. Once the unpleasantness really kicked off the work done by the Poles was rapidly rendered obsolete by the addition of additional plug boards and wheels etc.

The fact the Poles want recognition is a ...little bit silly when you google and get back over a million responses. How much recognition do they need?
You a tosser or what? Trying looking into the Polish A.F. and their part in our defence

Try looking into Mount Cassino and the only force able to take it

Try looking into

Sod it

Try the guessing game
 
#11
The Poles did important very early work. That work should not be under or equally over estimated. Once the unpleasantness really kicked off the work done by the Poles was rapidly rendered obsolete by the addition of additional plug boards and wheels etc.

The fact the Poles want recognition is a little bit silly when you google and get back over a million responses. How much recognition do they need?
That would be how many in the forest?
 
#12
Bletchley make no secret of early Polish successes with Enigma; Monte Cassino history documents Polish bravery and achievement and we've heard of Polish RAF pilots so, wassa problem?
Don't worry, guys; we're also accustomed to, ahem, another nation taking the credit for our chaps' achievements :)
 
#15
I had a Polish great uncle, a WW2 pilot. I don't know how he ever fitted in a Hurricane, he was huge. I suspect that if he'd managed to capture an enigma machine before the Polish collapse and his escape to Britain, he would have simply beaten some German to death with it.
 
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#16
In early 1977, the BBC broadcast an excellent documentry series, called "The Secret War". The whole Bletchley story broke a few years earlier and the episode on Enigma, Lorenez,and Ultra was one of the best of the series. About a quarter of the programme explained the massive Polish contribution, including naming the individuals of the pioneering team in Poland. So the Polish contrubution has been acknowledged in full, from the off, I'd say.
The Secret War (TV series) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
#17
My old Dad was at Dunkirk and in doing so probably took the place of a Polish bloke who may or may not have been sent there but was not because my old Dad was there already. The Polish bloke who did not go to Dunkirk may have spent time working on the Enigma machine only because my Dad took his place at Dunkirk. For this reason I think my old Dad deserves full recognition for the vital part he played in defeating Germany as an unsung hero of the code breaking story.
 
#18
I hate to say this my Children but we were a sad third in the Enigma stakes. The Frogs were given the Polish data as well and did a lot with it between September 1939 and June 1940. Their results were brought to the UK by destroyer from somewhere like Cherbourg as we were evacuating main body of the BEF from Dunkirk. Our later successes stemmed from both previous efforts - but certainly not some bunch of Septics grabbing U-571!
 
#19
Britain and France declared war on Germany because of guarantees to Poland when, in actual fact, there was little we could do militarily at the time. In spite of the heroic struggle of the Polish forces and people throughout hostilities, we delivered the final insult in 1945 when our government would not allow them to take part in the great Victory Parade through London for fear of upsetting the Russians who along with their former German allies carved up Poland between them in 1939.
 
#20
I hate to say this my Children but we were a sad third in the Enigma stakes. The Frogs were given the Polish data as well and did a lot with it between September 1939 and June 1940. Their results were brought to the UK by destroyer from somewhere like Cherbourg as we were evacuating main body of the BEF from Dunkirk. Our later successes stemmed from both previous efforts - but certainly not some bunch of Septics grabbing U-571!



See, told you!
 

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