Poland. Look what youve brought on yourself...

#41
Domovoy said:
Poland. Look what you've brought on yourself... -- is pretty accurate: it is in Polish nature to seek immediate profit; Poles didn't ask themselves "Do we need this "shield?", they asked "How profitably can we sell ourselves?" hence lots of haggling with the US while ignoring repeated warnings from Russia about the consequences. Btw, parapauk Russia was trying to make Poland see light from the day the US came up with the idea to militarise Eastern Europe, so your "he was so brave that he decided to announce all this on the one day of the year no one would be paying attension," is far off the mark!
By contrast, in Czech Republic people asked themselves "Do we need this "shield?" and came to the conclusion they don't need it, hence mass protests that were duly ignored by Czech democratic government.

parapauk: "And I note that the death of Russian democracy..." I read carefully what you wrote on democracy and decided not to rain on your parade since you've done a lot of work and put your heart into it, etc., etc. But you still didn't give your definition of "democracy": ancient Athens invented democracy, yet the only people permitted to express their opinion to influence state policies were adult, free males; according to US Ukraine is democratic yet its president came to power in an unconstitutional coup; In Japan one party remains in power for half a century now; democracy in Britain is not the same as democracy in Italy; and look at the USA: it was considered democratic in the 18-th century when women didn't have rights, slavery was a way of life and genocide of the indigenous population -- a state policy; USA is still considered a democracy... So, what is democracy? If it's government "of the people, by the people, and for the people," then just about every country in the world is democratic to a certain extent.
If you think I'm going to give a high-level analysis of democracy to someone who explains a complex geostrategic situation by the use of crass racial and national stereotyping, you've obviously mistaken me for someone with time to waste.
 
#43
whitecity said:
Virgil said:
But really the important thing is, what do you think about my new sig?
Doubt he'll make the slightest difference as far as 90% of the world is concerned compared to McCain. But if you want to impress me with your signature, how about a montage of all these Russian strippers you've got to know. :)
I actually have some photos of some of the girls in storage. A good place for them to stay I think.

As for my sig, I think the election of Obama wipes away much of the negatives of Bush's US almost overnight, dispels some lingering racist myths and has garnered goodwill in places as varied as Germany to Africa to Latin America. On reading the foreign press you'd think the Messiah had been elected.

My point is his presence is a powerful foreign policy card to play--if he can maintain that aura.
 
#44
Domovoy said:
Virgil said:
whitecity said:
Virgil said:
That's an odd thread title.
Why?
I think 'Russia, look what you brought on yourself would be just as valid'.

But really the important thing is, what do you think about my new sig?
:? I thought America had the Messiah as president since 2001?!
No, only in the Red states.
 
#45
parapauk said:
If you think I'm going to give a high-level analysis of democracy to someone who explains a complex geostrategic situation by the use of crass racial and national stereotyping, you've obviously mistaken me for someone with time to waste.
As I thought, you talk at length about democracy yet can't define the term or explain why so different politico-social systems are identified by the same term.

I hope you don't mind expanding on "crass racial and national stereotyping" otherwise it reminds of a slogan.
 
#46
Well... we knew the Ruskies were going to pull the tarp off/shift some short range strategic "base busters" so all's square. Now America can shoot down ICBM's and long range missiles launched against Israel, and Russia can retaliate by mistake and destroy some bits of Poland.

On balance... it seems like Russia has done all it can to shoot itself in the foot should the nutters across the middle east get a free run at it in the next stretch.
 

Biped

LE
Book Reviewer
#51
Well, the Russians want to play hard man again huh? Let's see if they can afford to keep it going again. After all, if they freeze out the west again, who'll buy their oil, their gas, and without that income, who'll pay for the silly armies, or to keep the Badgers and Bears flying?

Now, Obama is talking about MASSIVELY reducing the US carbon footprint, and giving huge tax breaks to companies that develop green technologies. Just how long will Europe and the US be ransomed by gas and oil producing cartels?

If Russia was a bloke, I'd say 'Listen mate, keep your money in your pocket, stop bigging yourself up, and stop being a d!ck'.
 
#53
KGB_resident said:
ghost_us said:
Russia is doing a great job of making NATO stronger and significant, that’s for certain.
Maybe but it doesn't matter. NATO is ineffective organisation anyway.
ghost_us said:
Russia is quickly putting NATO back up on the map and making it significant again.
That this will hopefully cause NATO to “wake up” can only be a “GOOD THING”. AS observed by Sergey, within Europe - its primary area of concern - NATO has been getting decidedly flabby and ineffectual over the last eighteen years.

Can we again, now look forward to nice big multinational deployment/reinforcement exercises every year ?!

whitecity said:
But consider this. Poland . . . have negotiated a battalion of Patriot too, but that's an add on.
QUESTION: Would the battalion of Patriot, be effective in neutralising the “Short-range Iskander missiles in the Kaliningrad region (which themselves) would "neutralise" the planned US anti-missile shield in Poland and the Czech Republic . . .” ?!
 

RP578

LE
Book Reviewer
#54
Biped said:
If Russia was a bloke, I'd say 'Listen mate, keep your money in your pocket, stop bigging yourself up, and stop being a d!ck'.
If Russia was a bloke his Mrs would be tugging at his elbow screaming, "Leave him Sergey! He's not worth it!" :D
 
#55
Biped said:
After all, if they freeze out the west again, who'll buy their oil, their gas, and without that income, who'll pay for the silly armies, or to keep the Badgers and Bears flying?

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:D

1. Russia never "froze out" the West, so the word "again" is misplaced. If you are referring to 2004-2005, -- thank Ukraine that was refusing to pay its debts and stealing European gas instead.

2. Your "who'll buy their oil, their gas, and without that income, who'll pay for the silly armies" sounds like "cut off ones nose to spite ones face": China will be the first to replace the West. Where the West is going to get its oil and gas from, "new technology"? Are you seriously suggesting US oil cartels are going to put themselves in a bin to "save the planet"?
 

Biped

LE
Book Reviewer
#56
RP578 said:
Biped said:
If Russia was a bloke, I'd say 'Listen mate, keep your money in your pocket, stop bigging yourself up, and stop being a d!ck'.
If Russia was a bloke his Mrs would be tugging at his elbow screaming, "Leave him Sergey! He's not worth it!" :D
'Yes mate, you ARE very hard, but you're also a bit tipsy from all that oil you've had - I think it's gone to your head. If I was you, I'd go home quietly with your missus, get your head down and maybe tomorrow, when you wake up, you may not regret the night before. I know this isn't sinking in right now, but please, please don't fcuking mess with me and my mates. There's more of us, we'e got more money, more tools, and we aren't drunk. :twisted:
 
#57
Domovoy said:
Poland. Look what you've brought on yourself... -- is pretty accurate: it is in Polish nature to seek immediate profit; Poles didn't ask themselves "Do we need this "shield?", they asked "How profitably can we sell ourselves?" hence lots of haggling with the US while ignoring repeated warnings from Russia about the consequences. Btw,
Bit like the Germans asking the question of profitability to the Juden wilst ignoring the Nazi Party.

They (Poland) are a democratic country that can vote for themselves. Whilst the USSR/NSDAP might not like it, it's tough sh1t, they voted for it and are now a NATO country.

Feel like restarting MAD?
 
#59
Aunty Stella said:
Domovoy said:
Poland. Look what you've brought on yourself... -- is pretty accurate: it is in Polish nature to seek immediate profit; Poles didn't ask themselves "Do we need this "shield?", they asked "How profitably can we sell ourselves?" hence lots of haggling with the US while ignoring repeated warnings from Russia about the consequences. Btw,

They (Poland) are a democratic country that can vote for themselves. Whilst the USSR/NSDAP might not like it, it's tough sh1t, they voted for it and are now a NATO country.
Welcome to 2008! I thought you said Poland destroyed the USSR? :?

Demagoguery about "democracy" aside, that was the point I was making: Poles brought it on themselves: the US will be defending itself over Polish territory.
 
#60
Domovoy said:
Aunty Stella said:
Domovoy said:
Poland. Look what you've brought on yourself... -- is pretty accurate: it is in Polish nature to seek immediate profit; Poles didn't ask themselves "Do we need this "shield?", they asked "How profitably can we sell ourselves?" hence lots of haggling with the US while ignoring repeated warnings from Russia about the consequences. Btw,

They (Poland) are a democratic country that can vote for themselves. Whilst the USSR/NSDAP might not like it, it's tough sh1t, they voted for it and are now a NATO country.
Welcome to 2008! I thought you said Poland destroyed the USSR? :?

Demagoguery about "democracy" aside, that was the point I was making: Poles brought it on themselves: the US will be defending itself over Polish territory.
He's laughing at you Mr Stella. 8O
 

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