POD to announce super-regiment plan on BFBS?

#1
Two quotes from a piece in the Herald about the Black Watch heading for home:

The Herald has learned that over the weekend General Sir Mike Jackson, chief of the general staff, will use the British Forces Broadcasting Service to make a statement that the super-regiment plan will be going ahead.
In what some will regard as a sop, he is also due to say future recruit training for Scots will be carried out at Fort George near Inverness rather than the current site at Catterick in Yorkshire.
http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/29564.html
 
#2
Hackle,
The oxygen-thief Ingram has already dropped large hints over the Fort George change of use. With a loss-rate sometimes approaching 30% for recruits at Catterick, it makes sense. When the Scottish recruits were trained at Glencorse, the failure rate was closer to 11%.

I've made some discreet inquiries and BFBS has a slot booked for POD on Monday.
 

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#3
It would be nice if POD announced something on BFBS, but..

1. Would anyone be listening to BFBS?

2. Some slime ball unaccountable 'Special Adviser' in the MOD is more than likley to leak the announcement in advance anyway to one of his New Labour chums on the Guardian.
 
#4
claymore said:
Hackle,
The oxygen-thief Ingram has already dropped large hints over the Fort George change of use. With a loss-rate sometimes approaching 30% for recruits at Catterick, it makes sense. When the Scottish recruits were trained at Glencorse, the failure rate was closer to 11%.

I've made some discreet inquiries and BFBS has a slot booked for POD on Monday.
claymore, Roger! Both points v interesting. I think you mentioned Fort George some time ago? Fort George would be a good move as long as the training facilities are up to scratch - I suspect some investment would be needed to supplement what is already there. Assuming that the training establishment is based within the Fort itself, it raises the interesting prospect of the "barracks" aspects of training being conducted in the presence of the public. Not a bad thing IMO.
 
#5
Hackle,
People like Clive Fairweather, a former Scotdiv staff officer(and a lot more besides)has always maintained that training recruits close to home is a morale-multiplier. When he ran Glencorse, he staged "parents' days" and claims it helped encourage waverers to hang in and complete their basic training.
 
#6
claymore said:
Hackle,
People like Clive Fairweather, a former Scotdiv staff officer(and a lot more besides)has always maintained that training recruits close to home is a morale-multiplier. When he ran Glencorse, he staged "parents' days" and claims it helped encourage waverers to hang in and complete their basic training.
I agree with that. A few years ago I had to stage through a Bundeswehr barracks used for training conscripts, and I was impressed to see a well organised parents' day in progress.
 
#7
[quote="hackleI agree with that. A few years ago I had to stage through a Bundeswehr barracks used for training conscripts, and I was impressed to see a well organised parents' day in progress.[/quote]

You know it makes sense, as they say. Probably a good reason why it won't happen. :wink:
 
#8
Expect an anouncement in the week starting 13 Dec.

Can we expect photos to be taken of the decommissioned Regiments and Battalions, in line with Ian Paisley's calls for exactly that with regard to IRA de-commissioning??
 
#10
I've just been contacted by a regimental HQ to say the announcement will be made on Wednesday after PM's question time in the HoC, although it could even be delayed until Thursday by something called a "Prime Minister's intervention". Never heard of it before. Anyone know what the feck's going on? It all seems to have changed in the last few hours. Whatever's going on, apparently POD's kicking furniture all over his office.
 
#11
I'm happy that Fort George is sourced as being the venue for training ALL Scottish recruits (not, apparently, just infantry). I believe the barracks were modernised some time in the 1990s. There are ranges just outside the Fort good for all shooting up to and including Stage 3 (forgive me, I don't know what the current terminology is - it's been a long time) and of course Barrybuddon isn't too far away though I should imagine "Battle Camp" will still involve the treck down to Otterburn.

Either way it's a shot in the arm for the Army in Scotland not to mention the local economy but most of all the recruits' standard of training and retention/wastage. I wish the "Powers That Be" would listen to more of what Clive has to say.
 
#12
Busterdog said:
I'm happy that Fort George is sourced as being the venue for training ALL Scottish recruits (not, apparently, just infantry). I believe the barracks were modernised some time in the 1990s. There are ranges just outside the Fort good for all shooting up to and including Stage 3 (forgive me, I don't know what the current terminology is - it's been a long time) and of course Barrybuddon isn't too far away though I should imagine "Battle Camp" will still involve the treck down to Otterburn.

Either way it's a shot in the arm for the Army in Scotland not to mention the local economy but most of all the recruits' standard of training and retention/wastage. I wish the "Powers That Be" would listen to more of what Clive has to say.
The area in and around Fort George would be very suitable for training as there are plenty of nice quiet country roads around for marches etc. Its also very handy for adventure training, especially with JSMTC in Kingussie/Newtonmore, the Isle of Skye and the Cairngorms being nearby.

Also use could also be made of Cameron Barracks in Inverness and even Gordon Barracks in Aberdeen. Not too sure what would happen about MQ's for the pads though as a lot of them were sold off to the council and a local housing association after "Options for Change".
 
#13
Well, apparently the answer to the above question is "Not today although it was going to be".

Unless anyone knows different?

According to this story, POD has been kicking furniture all over his office. (Metaphorically I hope, not nice to think of those chairs getting damaged.)

From today's Hootsmon, by James Kirkup, Political Correspondent, the link is http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1421662004 Includes a Tim Collins quote, always popular.

Jackson knocked off course by MoD

Announcement affecting Scots regiments could be delayed for another three days

JAMES KIRKUP
POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT

Key points
• Announcement of amalgamation of Scotland's infantry regiments postponed
• Head of the British Army was scheduled to address forces later today
• MOD postpone announcement, Wednesday in House of Commons now likely

Key quote
"What we are trying to do is ensure our armed forces, and our army in particular, is organised to face the challenges of the 21st century" - GEOFF HOON, DEFENCE SECRETARY

Story in full GENERAL Sir Mike Jackson, the head of the British Army, is said to be furious that a last-minute Whitehall row has delayed the announcement of his plans to amalgamate Scotland’s infantry regiments.

Gen Jackson had cleared his diary today and booked time on British Forces Broadcasting Radio this afternoon to explain to serving soldiers his controversial plans, which have sparked widespread anger.

But the general’s schedule was thrown into chaos yesterday when the Ministry of Defence confirmed that no statement would be made about the restructuring today.

Instead, the announcement is now expected on Wednesday in the House of Commons after Prime Minister's Questions, although military insiders warned even that date could still slip.

"It all seems to have changed in the last few hours," said one military officer, who described Gen Jackson as "kicking furniture all over his office". The delay appears to have been caused by an attack of nerves among ministers determined to finesse the presentation of the potentially incendiary restructuring.

Soldiers of the Black Watch - among the regiments facing merger - only began returning to Britain over the weekend after their dangerous mission in central Iraq. The government is acutely sensitive to charges from the SNP and others that, having asked the Black Watch to risk their lives in Iraq, ministers are now betraying the regiment by ending its status as an independent unit.

Geoff Hoon, the Defence Secretary, yesterday indicated he is standing firm. "What we are trying to do is ensure our armed forces, and our army in particular, is organised to face the challenges of the 21st century," he said.

But Tim Collins, the former army commander whose eve-of-battle speech to his troops in Iraq won him widespread recognition, warned that ending the traditional regimental system would undermine soldiers’ morale.

"In a time of war it is the military institutions that give us the martial habit and the discipline to protect ourselves. That is what they are cutting."

As well as merging smaller regiments into larger units, the government will reduce the total number of infantry battalions from 40 to 36. Scotland will lose one battalion when The Royal Scots and the King’s Own Scottish Borderers are combined. The other three casualties will be English regiments.

Lord Guthrie, former chief of the defence staff, yesterday cautioned against more cuts, warning that the army is already "dangerously small".
 
#14
Hackle,
POD's been re-booked for BFBS for Thursday afternoon.I understand the Parly announcement on the regiments will come on Wednesday if it's 'good" news, or Thursday if it's 'bad". Looks like Downing Street's still not made up its mind and is sticking its paws into the mix. Can confirm CGS not a happy badger. :D
 
#15
claymore said:
Hackle,
POD's been re-booked for BFBS for Thursday afternoon.I understand the Parly announcement on the regiments will come on Wednesday if it's 'good" news, or Thursday if it's 'bad". Looks like Downing Street's still not made up its mind and is sticking its paws into the mix. Can confirm CGS not a happy badger. :D
Many thanks, claymore. I always half expect someone calling themselves "sporran" or "kiltpin" to turn up in these exchanges.

May try to listen to BFBS on Thursday. For those outside BFBS reception area, last time I checked they did have a website link but servers not very powerful and might not stand up to the collective might of arrse members.

"CGS not a happy badger" conjures up an image which will unfortunately stay with me a long time.
 
#16
The anouncement of who and what was always going to be the 16th, I thought it was common knowledge.
 
#17
owsmik said:
The anouncement of who and what was always going to be the 16th, I thought it was common knowledge.
Another triumph of corporate communications.

Is it just me or does Scottish Super Regiment = Training in Scotland = Scottish Army = Scottish independence?

The mind boggles. 8O
 
#18
CrapSpy said:
The anouncement of who and what was always going to be the 16th, I thought it was common knowledge.
So it definitely WILL be on the 16th then! Two arrse sources saying the same thing.

owsmik said:
Another triumph of corporate communications.
:lol: :lol:

owsmik said:
Is it just me or does Scottish Super Regiment = Training in Scotland = Scottish Army = Scottish independence?
Horrible thought but no I dont think so. Of course, there is always the law of unintended consequences...
 

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