PM Speaks out over Staged Pay/Unions etc

#1
PM finally speaks out on something controversial...

Apparently he is tacking inflation but does not realise that unless wages go up the ability to buy a house etc will be affected.

I believe he has made his first mistake here as he is admitting to being part of the past ten years of Neu Arbeit (and its mistakes).

I know this is dealing with the Prison officers strikes but as you can see this will annoy all public sector workers.

I hope someone uses this against him...
 
#3
I agree

I'm just waiting for the Nurses to come out too. Don't think they are too impressed with either the % they have been given, the staging of it or the fact that the Scottish nurses got the whole lot in one go.
 
#4
Put your money on an Autumn election. He MUST know that he couldn't survive an election after a 'Winter of Discontent'. If Cameron grows a set of balls it might even be an interesting campaign.
 
#6
I think Ben's case really got to a lot of people. The military community knows how much Brown has screwed it. Also think he must have really annoyed the Americans for the unheard of criticism in the last 2 weeks.

House prices are heading South, this really bothers voters.

Even Cameron is trying to sound like a Tory.

I reckon things might just unravel this winter. He doesn't really have anyone to help him. Bunch of technocrats devoid of fun or personality. I was staggered by the sight (and sound), of Bob Ainsworth on C4 news the other night.

Could be an entertaining few months.
 
#7
I like his argument that by paying 20,000 people a 2.5% pay increase (many of which are below the national average income anyway) will cause increase in inflation in a nation with 60,000,000 plus occupants and an annual GDP of over 1 Trillion GBP (1,000,000,000,000).

Assume every prison officer earns an average of 30,000 quid (reality is about 25k). 2.5% of 30,000 is 750 quid. Times that by 20,000 prison officers and the annual bill increase is 15,000,000 quid.

As part of GDP= 0.00015% A really significant amount I think you can all agree. As a percentage of goverment spending it is around 0.003%.

But of course they deserve to be shafted. They wear uniforms. They detain criminals and are part of the 'establishment' that Liarbour despises. Far better to spend the money increasing the amount of lesbian outreach workers in Islington who will vote Liarbour.

The nurses etc can bugger off: they have seen their pay rocket through the roof under Liarbour and have done nothing to deserve it in the last 3-5 years (patients dying of hospital diseases like MRSA, MSSA, etc) thanks to their refusal to follow basic hygiene regimes.
 
#8
Dread said:
The nurses etc can bugger off: they have seen their pay rocket through the roof under Liarbour and have done nothing to deserve it in the last 3-5 years (patients dying of hospital diseases like MRSA, MSSA, etc) thanks to their refusal to follow basic hygiene regimes.
Hat on, lad! You is going to get a kicking for that one :D
 
#9
Dread said:
I like his argument that by paying 20,000 people a 2.5% pay increase (many of which are below the national average income anyway) will cause increase in inflation in a nation with 60,000,000 plus occupants and an annual GDP of over 1 Trillion GBP (1,000,000,000,000).

Assume every prison officer earns an average of 30,000 quid (reality is about 25k). 2.5% of 30,000 is 750 quid. Times that by 20,000 prison officers and the annual bill increase is 15,000,000 quid.

As part of GDP= 0.00015% A really significant amount I think you can all agree. As a percentage of goverment spending it is around 0.003%.

...
It's the million people in the NHS he's scared of, and all the people he's hired to deal with means-tested Tax Credits. It's alright buying votes wehn they're cheap, and people want a job, but what do you do when the price goes up?

We either get an election, or he's going to have to declare war on someone to distract us all. Trouble is, we haven't got that many soldiers spare at the moment, and anyway, what did Liechtenstein ever do to us?
 
#10
in_the_cheapseats said:
I agree

I'm just waiting for the Nurses to come out too. Don't think they are too impressed with either the % they have been given, the staging of it or the fact that the Scottish nurses got the whole lot in one go.
I think you'll find it's everywhere but england... But don't worry, the Gov just offered an extra £36 a year... I've said this before, but does the Gov realize that if they got the NHS and MOD votes onside then they'd win every election going!! Or am I talking non-sense?

T C
 
#11
Dread said:
I like his argument that by paying 20,000 people a 2.5% pay increase (many of which are below the national average income anyway) will cause increase in inflation in a nation with 60,000,000 plus occupants and an annual GDP of over 1 Trillion GBP (1,000,000,000,000).

Assume every prison officer earns an average of 30,000 quid (reality is about 25k). 2.5% of 30,000 is 750 quid. Times that by 20,000 prison officers and the annual bill increase is 15,000,000 quid.
Trouble is that under Labour Big Government has ruled over the past 10 years so that we now have huge numbers of (badly paid it must be said) public sector employees: just under 5.8 MILLION and a lot of them with axes to grind.

Yes, Gordon, payback time always will arrive at the worst moment. You blew up the spending to buy jobs and votes and now here comes the pain.

Broon is trying to hold all Public Sector pay increases down and an extra £750 each would cost another £4.35 BILLION. Of course we give in excess of that away each year in "International Aid" and spend a great deal more on bollox projects, aircraft we do not really need whilst not spending on ones we really do , etc,etc but never mind all that. The well is dry.

A winter of discontent? Oh yes.
 
#12
Can someone remind me - what did the MP's give themself this year along with our senior civil servants, senior officers & judges (good move taking the PO to court) and was it staged?
 
#13
angular said:
Dread said:
I like his argument that by paying 20,000 people a 2.5% pay increase (many of which are below the national average income anyway) will cause increase in inflation in a nation with 60,000,000 plus occupants and an annual GDP of over 1 Trillion GBP (1,000,000,000,000).

Assume every prison officer earns an average of 30,000 quid (reality is about 25k). 2.5% of 30,000 is 750 quid. Times that by 20,000 prison officers and the annual bill increase is 15,000,000 quid.

As part of GDP= 0.00015% A really significant amount I think you can all agree. As a percentage of goverment spending it is around 0.003%.

...
It's the million people in the NHS he's scared of, and all the people he's hired to deal with means-tested Tax Credits. It's alright buying votes wehn they're cheap, and people want a job, but what do you do when the price goes up?

We either get an election, or he's going to have to declare war on someone to distract us all. Trouble is, we haven't got that many soldiers spare at the moment, and anyway, what did Liechtenstein ever do to us?
I agree! His government inherited a situation where attempts had been made to reduce the public sector wage bill (had wobbled a bit under an unpopular John Major) and the unions had been broken. He had a golden economic gift which he had also inherited so what to do:

I know:

We could buy a shed load of short term (let's say two elected terms) feelgood by letting unions build back up (they had paid us into office) and giving out a load of non-jobs (quangos, increased Treasury staff, pretend Policemen, NHS Administrators, council staff etc).

:evil:
 
#14
Dread said:
The nurses etc can bugger off: they have seen their pay rocket through the roof under Liarbour and have done nothing to deserve it in the last 3-5 years (patients dying of hospital diseases like MRSA, MSSA, etc) thanks to their refusal to follow basic hygiene regimes.
Another ill informed member of the public, believing all the government hype diverting attention away from their under funding & all the good work that is being done in the NHS.

Rocketing wage, stop me while I fall about laughing.

Band 5 mid range is £22000. Band 5 nurses account for just over 70% of the nursing work force. Hardily high paid.
 
#15
angular said:
Put your money on an Autumn election. He MUST know that he couldn't survive an election after a 'Winter of Discontent'. If Cameron grows a set of balls it might even be an interesting campaign.
Apparently, if an early election is called their could be an issue with voters as the next electoral poll is not published until December. Up to 1 mill voters due to moves etc could be affected. Heard on 5 Live on the way home and will try and find a link
 
#16
I honestly feel that Liarbour didn't plan for the third election victory when they made their spending plans in the first term. Their party had never won two elections, so that was a real achievement from their point of view. The subconscious expectation was that they'd narrowly lose the third election, the Tories would fail to deal with the situation, and Labour would get back in in 2008.

What they didn't understand was that they had changed the face of Britain so much, that the Tories couldn't win without reform of the constituency boundaries. The country is deeply divided. Where I live (Cambridgeshire) there are NO Labour councillors in the areas outside of Cambridge (East and South Cambs) and NO Tories inside the city.

Now we've got a screwed-up system of government, run by incompetents, and a deeply divided country in which key services are either failing or being run for the benefit of the workforce.

I would say we're fcuked, but bollox to it, I'm not quitting. Let's change this place for the better.
 
#17
My sister tells me that the RCN charter doesn't allow members to do anything that might compromise patient care...i.e. strike.

Which kind of explains why they haven't done it already.
 
#18
Perhaps if he culled the quango's, and any other jobs for the boys/girls, he may find a whole heap of extra money to go around with a small cut income tax. Then again that would hurt the party coffers, so it wll never happen.
 
#19
usmarox said:
My sister tells me that the RCN charter doesn't allow members to do anything that might compromise patient care...i.e. strike.

Which kind of explains why they haven't done it already.
Your sister is right, under RCN rules, members cannot take any type of industrial action that is harmful to patient care. However in early Aug 07 a ballot of all RCN members was taken to asked what form of action they think is acceptable, rangeing from overtime ban, refusal to work unpaid overtime, refusal to cover leave or sickness at short notice, no bank work etc.

This ballot was restricted to Britain only as nurses in Scotland, Wales & NI own national assemblies have paid the wage rise in full.
 
#20
Dread said:
The nurses etc can bugger off: they have seen their pay rocket through the roof under Liarbour and have done nothing to deserve it in the last 3-5 years (patients dying of hospital diseases like MRSA, MSSA, etc) thanks to their refusal to follow basic hygiene regimes.
Dread,

Yes, nurses have had a pay rise but all this has achieved is bringing foreign nurses to this country to work here as it has not been coupled with any increased incentives for new students to do nurse training. I can't remember the stats and Mrs Tubs has gone to bed but initial pay is not good straight out of training and, additionally, the bad press that the NHS has received will not be the best recruiting tool out there, will it?

On the subject of MRSA etc. I would not lay the blame at the door of the majority of nurses. Poorly trained and unmotivated cleaning staff (mainly due to gubmint targets and constant reorganisations - trying to run the NHS as a business just doesn't work) must take the bulk of the blame. Cut out the management structure that will appoint someone (part-time) at my local hospital on 15K+ to take care of the stocking and re-ordering of mops FFS, and plough the money into cleaners that actually clean (choosing the lowest priced tender for a cleaning contract may not get the best service) and nurses that feel motivated and valued. If you do this more people will want to become nurses. Hence you will get a better service...

Sorry for dragging the thread off topic and ranting a wee bit (damned single malt!), just feel strongly about the state of the NHS....
S+F

Tubs
 

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