Plod upset Tom Winsor is to become watchdog

#1
Police anger as Winsor, the lawyer who has never been a police officer, is tipped to become watchdog - Telegraph

Last night officers reacted with anger, claiming Mr Winsor was ill qualified for the £200,000–a–year position. The Police Federation chairman Paul McKeever said: "We warned the Home Secretary there would be riots, crime would rise and the 20 per cent cuts would have a detrimental effect on the policing front line and we were called scaremongers.
Absolutely delighted and it is about time :)

The usual scaremongering noise emanating from the police service. We all know what the police and security services do when they want more taxes - scare us. A tactic akin to what the Mafia and protection rackets do - "Pay us or bad things will happen."

Time for the bloated police and security services to get the axe too :)

A cheaper and more reliable guarantor of my/my family's safety is Mr. .45, not a copper a couple of blocks away. If houseowners can and did shoot burglars, there'd be a lot less of them infesting our streets than present day Britain.
 
#2
A cheaper and more reliable guarantor of my/my family's safety is Mr. .45, not a copper a couple of blocks away. If houseowners can and did shoot burglars, there'd be a lot less of them infesting our streets than present day Britain.

'a couple of blocks away?

Where is this Policing nirvana in the UK where the local plod is only round the corner?
 
#3
'a couple of blocks away?

Where is this Policing nirvana in the UK where the local plod is only round the corner?
10 Downing St?

In fairness, when Fred the Shred got his car windows tanned in, the response was so fast you'd have thought Lothian and Borders had a station inside Goodwin's house.:roll:
 
#4
A excellent appointment. Someone who has the expectations of the public rather than someone ingrained in the police system.
 
#5
By letting the public be armed is always a wise move, yes better protection for house owners who batter the crap out of burglars. But free range on weapons, i think not.

I think it will be a good appointment, but only time will tell, the first 12 months will be telling.
 
#6
'a couple of blocks away?

Where is this Policing nirvana in the UK where the local plod is only round the corner?
Well spotted and you're right. I was exercising literary licence in a disingenious way.

Police accused of fiddling response times - Telegraph


Some officers in Croydon, who were recently hailed as the fastest in London, are logging their arrival at a scene when they are still several miles away, it was claimed.


Rank and file leaders could not rule out it was not happening elsewhere in the country and warned it was a sign police are under pressure to hit targets.


Met Chief Superintendent Adrian Roberts, a borough commander for Croydon, said earlier this month that his officers were attending 999 calls within eight minutes, on average, well within the 12 minute target set by the force and one of the fastest times in the country.


But one anonymous officer claimed some staff are reporting they have arrived when they are several minutes away, sometimes as much as 15 or 20 minutes.


Show me a crime that takes 15-20 minutes to finish and I will show you some criminals too dumb to not get caught.
 
#7
Police anger as Winsor, the lawyer who has never been a police officer, is tipped to become watchdog - Telegraph



Absolutely delighted and it is about time :)

The usual scaremongering noise emanating from the police service. We all know what the police and security services do when they want more taxes - scare us. A tactic akin to what the Mafia and protection rackets do - "Pay us or bad things will happen."

Time for the bloated police and security services to get the axe too :)

A cheaper and more reliable guarantor of my/my family's safety is Mr. .45, not a copper a couple of blocks away. If houseowners can and did shoot burglars, there'd be a lot less of them infesting our streets than present day Britain.
Is this what you hacks do when you are not tapping the phones of recently bereaved parents? I hope you get every chance to use your imaginary .45 in your strange reality, from which, I suspect, our planet is not even visible.
 
#8
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If houseowners can and did shoot burglars, there'd be a lot less of them infesting our streets than present day Britain.
I don't care about how many burglars are on the streets, that is the best place for them. Burglars in my home is what I care about. Indeed, if home-owners regularly shot/killed burglars, more burglars on streets is damn-near guaranteed.

^_~
 
#9
Most of the coppers I know are decent chaps and in it for the right reasons. Some are idle, some crap but that would seem to sum up most jobs and their workers. My mates shift had a minimum manning level of 20 at one time that has now dropped to 6 I think. Certainly got more faith in them for doing the 'right' thing than a lawyer / business man / politician. Might be idealistic claptrap but can't imagine many of those people saying 'I want to make the world a better place and serve the public', perhaps some politicians when they start off.

Just going on what is here there does seem to be a conflict of interest, there should be a law forbidding 'public servants' to benfit from their post, anti corruption like.

What would the outrage be from Arrsers if there was a similar post for HM Armed Forces and a civvy was put in that to fill it? Just a thought.
 
#10
A cheaper and more reliable guarantor of my/my family's safety is Mr. .45, not a copper a couple of blocks away. If houseowners can and did shoot burglars, there'd be a lot less of them infesting our streets than present day Britain.
Or there'd be a lot more armed burglars and as they're the ones who are awake, alert and expecting trouble while you're the one who's just woken up and stumbled onto the landing with a lazy lob on and pillows marks on your face I know who my money would be on in a shoot out.
 
#11
Is this what you hacks do when you are not tapping the phones of recently bereaved parents? I hope you get every chance to use your imaginary .45 in your strange reality, from which, I suspect, our planet is not even visible.
Why do you assume that because I endorse the use of privacy tools I am a hack? The point of the matter is that hacks made these tools accessible to the "point-and-click" masses to protect them from the busybody governments that rule over us.

As for the availability of guns in the UK, see a 2008 article:
Firearms: cheap, easy to get and on a street near you | UK news | The Guardian

The gun shown here, a Webley, is up for sale in London for £150, one of hundreds of such weapons that are easily and cheaply available on the streets of the UK's big cities, a Guardian investigation can reveal.

The variety of weapons on offer in Britain is extensive and includes machine guns and shotguns, as well as pistols and converted replicas. A source close to the trade in illegal weapons contacted by the Guardian listed a menu of firearms that are available on the streets of the capital.

"You can get a clean [unused] 9mm automatic for £1,500, a Glock for a couple of grand and you can even make an order for a couple of MAC-10s," he said. "Or you can get a little sawn-off for £150. They're easy enough to get hold of. You'll find one in any poverty area, every estate in London, and it's even easier in Manchester, where there are areas where the police don't go.

Wake up and smell the coffee. It is you who is in an alternate reality - guns are more available on the UK streets than you think.
 
#12
Most of the coppers I know are decent chaps and in it for the right reasons. Some are idle, some crap but that would seem to sum up most jobs and their workers. My mates shift had a minimum manning level of 20 at one time that has now dropped to 6 I think. Certainly got more faith in them for doing the 'right' thing than a lawyer / business man / politician. Might be idealistic claptrap but can't imagine many of those people saying 'I want to make the world a better place and serve the public', perhaps some politicians when they start off.

Just going on what is here there does seem to be a conflict of interest, there should be a law forbidding 'public servants' to benfit from their post, anti corruption like.

What would the outrage be from Arrsers if there was a similar post for HM Armed Forces and a civvy was put in that to fill it? Just a thought.
You must be joking. The plod I've met in social settings were arrogant, egotistical, dishonest, lazy and thought they were always right.

I wouldn't let those power tripping megalomaniacs near a Taser let alone a handgun.
 
#13
Or there'd be a lot more armed burglars and as they're the ones who are awake, alert and expecting trouble while you're the one who's just woken up and stumbled onto the landing with a lazy lob on and pillows marks on your face I know who my money would be on in a shoot out.
Most criminals are too unmotivated or tight to spend the effort or money on range time, so really it is a question of trained vs. untrained shooter.

From a policy standpoint, statistically even if 20% of burglars get shot dead in the act, it is a lot better than the present 0%.
 
#14
Why do you assume that because I endorse the use of privacy tools I am a hack? The point of the matter is that hacks made these tools accessible to the "point-and-click" masses to protect them from the busybody governments that rule over us.

As for the availability of guns in the UK, see a 2008 article:
Firearms: cheap, easy to get and on a street near you | UK news | The Guardian




Wake up and smell the coffee. It is you who is in an alternate reality - guns are more available on the UK streets than you think.
They are, it's just the ammunition thats hard to obtain.


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#16
You must be joking. The plod I've met in social settings were arrogant, egotistical, dishonest, lazy and thought they were always right.

I wouldn't let those power tripping megalomaniacs near a Taser let alone a handgun.

Perhaps I've been luckier than most. There again the ones I met were ex job / Reserves so perhaps that skews it a bit. My mate went through the police factory in 1996. One of the sayings from one of the trainers was

"The Police used to have a lot of officers with integrity but they've almost solved that problem now."

He reckons that the type of people the Police have recruited has changed greatly in the last few years and in his mind generally nowhere near as capapble.

As for 'arrogant, egotistical, dishonest, lazy and thought they were always right', that w2ould fit most of the Arrse community, well perhaps take away the dishonest bit and lazy seems a bit harsh. ;)
 
#17
Most criminals are too unmotivated or tight to spend the effort or money on range time, so really it is a question of trained vs. untrained shooter.
How much SAA training does the average civvie have then? How much training does it take to shoot a half asleep man from ten feet away?

From a policy standpoint, statistically even if 20% of burglars get shot dead in the act, it is a lot better than the present 0%.
And how many of those 'burglars' being shot dead will be teenagers sneaking in after being out later than they'd been told to be in and trying not to wake mum and dad up or someone stumbling to the toilet in the middle of the night?

Personally I'd rather have a properly funded and led police force than a large number of untrained ********* playing Dirty Harry with some rusty piece of shit fifth hand Browning they've bought from Cash Converters.
 
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You must be joking. The plod I've met in social settings were arrogant, egotistical, dishonest, lazy and thought they were always right.

I wouldn't let those power tripping megalomaniacs near a Taser let alone a handgun.
Now they'll all turn up on the thread and tell you how hurt their feelings are. The sound of sobbing will be heard all over internetshire, and it's all your fault, you heartless rogue.
 
#20
How much SAA training does the average civvie have then?
At present none thanks to the law abiding public being disarmed. If things change, then firearms handling courses would become a viable business.

How much training does it take to shoot a half asleep man from ten feet away?
More than you think if it is his house and his wife has a gun too.

And how many of those 'burglars' being shot dead will be teenagers sneaking in after being out later than they'd been told to be in and trying not to wake mum and dad up or someone stumbling to the toilet in the middle of the night?
Very small percentage, and less than the homeowners who may have been raped or killed because people like you deny them the RKBA.

Personally I'd rather have a properly funded and led police force than a large number of untrained ********* playing Dirty Harry with some rusty piece of shit fifth hand Browning they've bought from Cash Converters.
Are you a police officer or in the security establishment by any chance? :)

The usual bald, un-informed and uneducated, factually unsupported scaremongering statements and straw men followed by how the police will solve all your problems modus operandi :)
 

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