Plod fiddling crime figures

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maguire said:
this is not news - police bloggers like 200 Weeks and Inspector Gadget have been saying this for years.

http://200weeks.police999.com/

http://inspectorgadget.wordpress.com/
Its the oldest trick in the book, fix the stats :lol: Everyone does it. Western nations have become masters of the art, when it happens elsewhere in this world they call it corruption :p

Could it be that 'plod' is looking for an xmas bonus, i.e. more funding :lol:
 
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vvaannmmaann said:
Not that surprised.I was talking to a lady last week.She lives in fairly rough area.Any crime there is recorded under one crime number.
Result = Crime reduction targets achieved.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...ice-force-tricks-to-fiddle-crime-figures.html
No, that will be a rolling incident log in the control room ... someone lin local management will be looking at the estate for some reason.

Some of this sounds like the 80's. "Stitching" in nye on impossible as the CPS make charging decisions in all but the most minor cases. This is often done over the phone to people in other parts of the country, in any case they don't give a stuff about local crime figures.

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Now that Britain is a Third World Country, why shouldn't we indulge in a little bit of corruption?

After all, that is what Third World countries do, innit?
 
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Auld-Yin said:
Now that Britain is a Third World Country, why shouldn't we indulge in a little bit of corruption?

After all, that is what Third World countries do, innit?
Erm, 'thirld world' is passe now, terribly 70's, flares and all that. The new term is 'failed state' :lol:

Hey, but at least England has made the world Cup finals :) Oh darn it, your Scottish! Well us did beat us 2 weeks ago, and a brilliant win it was too :D
 
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"Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." ~ Prof. Aaron Levenstein
 
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sunami said:
"Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." ~ Prof. Aaron Levenstein

Hahahaha, I love it. Great quote sunami :lol:
 
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In my opinion it is not Plod's fault but the Government for getting obsessed with targets. Policing should be quality-led not target-led. If you're always chasing a target then you adjust what you do to meet that target. If the Police are dealing with a major incident in one part of town and that makes them late for another then we need to know this, not cover it up by sending a PCSO to stand there and do nothing other than look good in a responder's log.
If my house gets burgled I'd like to see the Police make a serious attempt to investigate the crime. Take fingerprints, DNA etc, even if they can't solve it I will at least feel they are trying to do something and, when they eventually capture the thief they can then link his presence back to other crime scenes. Issuing a crime number and not even leaving the police station is not the answer, to me. I want to feel valued as a member of society and feel that something will at least be attempted
The Police need more finds but the public are going to be reluctant to release more funds to a Service that just ticks boxes and fills in forms. If they need more funding because forensic examination is expensive then that is fine, at least we know every crime will be investigated fully. Mind you, it's also up to the public to fulfil their responsibilities and come forward when they witness a crime and help the police all they can, again they might be more inclined if they felt it would make a real difference instead of just ticking boxes on a Government form so they can tell us statistically how well policed we are.
 
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Markintime said:
In my opinion it is not Plod's fault but the Government for getting obsessed with targets. Policing should be quality-led not target-led. If you're always chasing a target then you adjust what you do to meet that target. If the Police are dealing with a major incident in one part of town and that makes them late for another then we need to know this, not cover it up by sending a PCSO to stand there and do nothing other than look good in a responder's log.
If my house gets burgled I'd like to see the Police make a serious attempt to investigate the crime. Take fingerprints, DNA etc, even if they can't solve it I will at least feel they are trying to do something and, when they eventually capture the thief they can then link his presence back to other crime scenes. Issuing a crime number and not even leaving the police station is not the answer, to me. I want to feel valued as a member of society and feel that something will at least be attempted
The Police need more finds but the public are going to be reluctant to release more funds to a Service that just ticks boxes and fills in forms. If they need more funding because forensic examination is expensive then that is fine, at least we know every crime will be investigated fully. Mind you, it's also up to the public to fulfil their responsibilities and come forward when they witness a crime and help the police all they can, again they might be more inclined if they felt it would make a real difference instead of just ticking boxes on a Government form so they can tell us statistically how well policed we are.
Unless your name is Sir Fred Goodwin, don't hold your breath. :roll:
 
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All govt depts fiddle their figures. It's because this govt has decided that success is defined by meeting targets, not for example by preventing crime, making sick people better or providing a decent education.
 
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If my house gets burgled I'd like to see the Police make a serious attempt to investigate the crime.
markintiime

You and every other citizen.

But is it likely? I think not.

Recently reported statistics indicated that as well as many lesser crimes, incidents resulting in Grievous Bodily Harm were being resolved by police caution and not just the odd one, but hundreds.

Now we all know that amongst "offenses against the person" "GBH" is just one step below "manslaughter".

So what does that tell us?

Probably that a policy tool such as "Targets" is just as open to subversion as "Police Discretion" by those looking looking for the path of least resistance through a day's work.

Of course I don't just mean the Police, take a look at the whole justice system and the legislature and the executive.

One might say that the whole edifice is "creaking", for want of a better word.

B
 
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Die Partie Der Neues Arbeits has been a past master at fiddling statitics in all area ever since they came into office..... See.... even Pa Broone won't come clean about the number of Tractor Factories he visits each week..... that is probably because all the Tractor Factories in the UK, are now out in India and other places... so thats why he disapears over there for a while.

But the serious side, if there was one, truly is the Target Culture that has been imposed, cultivated and encouraged by this bunch of Muppet Bludgers....
 
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Auld-Yin said:
Now that Britain is a Third World Country, why shouldn't we indulge in a little bit of corruption?

After all, that is what Third World countries do, innit?
Corruption, yes. But let's not overlook political instability and violent coups d'etat.

All the best,

John.
 
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zazabell_012 said:
sunami said:
"Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." ~ Prof. Aaron Levenstein

Hahahaha, I love it. Great quote sunami :lol:
How about "lies, damn lies and statistics"? Disraeli.

With the "correct" presentation almost anything can be proved with statistics.
 
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Drlligaf said:
zazabell_012 said:
sunami said:
"Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." ~ Prof. Aaron Levenstein

Hahahaha, I love it. Great quote sunami :lol:
How about "lies, damn lies and statistics"? Disraeli.

With the "correct" presentation almost anything can be proved with statistics.
"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time."
Abraham Lincoln,
 
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sunami said:
Drlligaf said:
zazabell_012 said:
sunami said:
"Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." ~ Prof. Aaron Levenstein

Hahahaha, I love it. Great quote sunami :lol:
How about "lies, damn lies and statistics"? Disraeli.

With the "correct" presentation almost anything can be proved with statistics.
"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time."
Abraham Lincoln,
Very clever but nothing to do with the thread. MiT
 
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Very clever but nothing to do with the thread. MiT
Dunno what thread your reading, but this ones about police statistics & how they're manipulated.
 
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Bloody hell, this is ancient news. The OB have been doing it for years. In my old farce some poor bloke had his car nicked and burnt out.

Hmm thinks the Gull sounds like theft and/or Arson to me. Not according to the Home Office counting rules. Nope it's a TWOC (basically joyriding with no intent to permanently deprive the owner of said vehicle). Hang on says the Gull they have permanently deprived the guy of his car bu burning the fecker out. Nope it's not says the "support" staff it's twoc. The argument continues until the Inspector OC figures fiddling tells me to wind my neck in.

Same as the occasional mantra not to arrest anyone for Section 5 Public Order (shouting and swearing in the street) as it counts a violence and we can't have that on our figures now can we? This month they have to be drunk and disorderly (as that's not a recordable offence).

So, when it comes to the crime figures, I wouldn't believe a thing that comes from the home office. It's all big joke.
 
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The_Seagull said:
Same as the occasional mantra not to arrest anyone for Section 5 Public Order (shouting and swearing in the street) as it counts a violence and we can't have that on our figures now can we? This month they have to be drunk and disorderly (as that's not a recordable offence).
S5 is a clear up, but only if you can find a member of the public who appears harrassed alarmed and distressed as apparently cops can't be!

Trotsky
 

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