Please Sign, Stolen Valour Petition

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armadillo

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This petition is aimed at making it illegal for any individual to impersonate, misrepresent, or falsify connections (past or present) with HM Forces including the wearing of medals awarded either for campaign service, long service and services of distinction. Further to this, we would request that the government consider making it a criminal offence for those who aspire to make personal or corporate financial gain from such actions. For example, posing as an authority in military matters were clearly no formal qualifications exist, or writing books where the author has clearly misrepresented themselves (lied) this should be seen as gaining pecuniary advantage by misrepresentation and consequently punishable by law. The only exception to this would be for theatrical, re-enactment and entertainment purposes (this would come under the same law that currently exists covering police and other officially recognised uniforms) This petition is dedicated to all those servicemen and women who have served their country within HM forces and in particular, the fallen.

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Stolen-honour/#detail


More signatures needed, copy the link email it to your friends put it on facebook, twitter, its your valour they are stealing.

Cheers

Armadillo
 
#4
This is already an offence under the Fraud Act:

Further to this, we would request that the government consider making it a criminal offence for those who aspire to make personal or corporate financial gain

Wasn't the infamous 'SAS vet' who appeared in the newpapers just prosecuted for exactly this?

impersonate, misrepresent, or falsify connections (past or present) with HM Forces including the wearing of medals awarded either for campaign service, long service and services of distinction.

So is this not just a wasted effort, similar to petitioning the government to make 'theft' a criminal offence?
 
#7
There is already a law regarding the wearing of medals - Roger Day was recently prosecuted (you may not know that as there there haven't been may threads about him on here).

There is already a law regarding misrepresenting yourself for financial gain - The Fraud Act 2006.

As for a law relating to writing military memoirs etc, it would just be unenforceable.

Walts are funny, they provide hours of entertainment, they are to be derided, ridiculed and humiliated but we certainly don't need to prosecute them, unless they are walting for financial gain in such a way that they can be prosecuted under the Fraud Act or walting to gain access to vulnerable people. IMHO we should not even prosecute the Roger Day's of this world.


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#8
They have not stolen any of my valour (didn't have much to steal)

They do keep people amused though.

Whole threads would disappear and journalists would be out of work if we ban them - couldn't live with myself

Thousands petitioned Broon to go - look what good it did.
 
#10
biffins-bridge said:
There is already a law regarding the wearing of medals - Roger Day was recently prosecuted (you may not know that as there there haven't been may threads about him on here).

There is already a law regarding misrepresenting yourself for financial gain - The Fraud Act 2006.

As for a law relating to writing military memoirs etc, it would just be unenforceable.

Walts are funny, they provide hours of entertainment, they are to be derided, ridiculed and humiliated but we certainly don't need to prosecute them, unless they are walting for financial gain in such a way that they can be prosecuted under the Fraud Act or walting to gain access to vulnerable people. IMHO we should not even prosecute the Roger Day's of this world.


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You have an excellent point there BB, they are comedy gold.
 
#11
llech said:
Who is this SAS vet you talk of? Someone should start a thread about him!
Not a bad idea - someone could do some research and maybe title it 'SAS Walt' or something along those lines. Not seen one of them for ages!
 
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AFA06 said:
Wasn't the infamous 'SAS vet' who appeared in the newpapers just prosecuted for exactly this?
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Couldn't touch Shortt ( For example ) because of loopholes within currant laws. I think this petition is aimed at making harder for others to flaunt their Waltiness.
Bob Spour is another example of 'getting away with it'
Both of the above mentioned have made a mint out of their respective 'careers' and the law has done little about it largely because it is a grey area and partly because some in the 'system' don't give a stuff.
Signed BTW.
 

udipur

LE
Book Reviewer
#14
I think this is a strong idea with legs.

I also think we should prosecute politicians for stretching the truth.

Then there's comedians who make fun of everyday situations including Jo Brand who always refers to her weight.

What about the little shopkeeper who stays up late nearby and charges more than Sainsburys?

Since we're at it, I tried to sell my car and couldn't get what I paid for it so the vendor's definitely up for a knock by a copper.

Or we could just laugh at paltry efforts to be what they aren't, enjoy the bluster and bullsh*t and maybe spend a little time just feeling sorry for eejits who feel they have to live a lie.
 
#15
These names on the petition do your cause a whole world of good:

Harry Skinters VC MC* DSO QGJM MSP
Mr Percussive Patellae
Jimbo Bonsai-scale
The Duke of York
Howard Cooley ex 2RRF VD and Scar
Walter Mitty
Gordon_Brown of Arrse
 
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armadillo

Guest
#16
it is not my petition, found it on behalf of a third party, spoke to a CS and they see hundreds of bogus names, if the address does not match the name it is struck off. Its the sentiment and will that matters. The amount of names does matter though.

Do you really think petitions have the gravitas that they had say fifty years ago? It is more seen as a gentle demonstration that action need to be taken on a subject.

There will be some muppets putting their names on there.

Dont let that dishearten anyone from signing, we dont have long and the law needs changing, as there is too much grey area on it. A precedent has been set by another recent case however it needs further defintion.

this is not just directed at the sad lonely people that never served or found their service lacking and want to wander round pretending to have served an elite organisation. This is directed to the people who obtain money or services by deception.

It is easy to set yourself up in business as a security consultant, then end up teaching people skills that can be used for criminal activity, skills that are lacking and putting themselves and others in danger.


Would you like to see a family member fall for someone who claims to be in a elite unit? Do you really want to see the hurt it causes when they suddenly realise they had have been duped.

Do you want to see a mate leave the forces go on a security course then try and get work after spending all their hard earned cash or resettlement and later find out their instructors were not who they said they are with?

Do you want a well informed person in the art of assymetrical warfare teach methodologys to a criminals or worse terrorist organisations?


Have you lost business due to a employee falsifying service and cocking up your jobs putting guys lives in danger and losing you work because they said they are something they are not?

Do you want someone teaching or leading your kids at a ACF unit who is not what they are?

Do you want someone who is not entitled to decorations that your friends have truly earned in battle?


These people may be amusing to you as you are a third party, however when you have been duped or lied to it can be terrible.

A friend of mine was duped into leaving the army, taught by a bunch of walts, a week into Iraq he watched three of his colleagues die in front of him. He spent his savings and resettlement on this course for jobs. He came back penniless and I have lost comms with him since. He has suffered at the hands of a walt,

I just do not want to see that happen again, a third party asked me to bump up this campaign.

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#17
armadillo said:
or writing books where the author has clearly misrepresented themselves (lied) this should be seen as gaining pecuniary advantage by misrepresentation and consequently punishable by law.


Cheers

Armadillo
Wow. So no more fiction writing of any sort then. Seems a tad harsh, IMHO.
 
#18
Another chance to lock Archer up though!
 

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