PLEASE HELP

#1
As many people may be aware the army are making massive cut backs to impress the public that they are giving the forces more money when infact there not. Due to this alot of soldiers are been giving the boot for there medical disabilitys. I am aware alot of these are deserving due to idleness but there are some of us who are genuinly biffed. I was fully fit up until 6 months ago serving with brigade operations company but was diagnosed with an illness called ulcerative colitus. Due to this i was P7(home only downgraded). This disease is incurable which will obviously make me biffed for life. I have now been informed i am to start the process for medical discharge and if i do not get this then i will be admin discharged on medical grounds. If im honest am sh*ting it as i would never of expected it and have no clue what to do. I dont understand the process of a md and didnt think i could just get the boot. Trying to find help from my chain of command results in one answer and that is "prepare for civvy street". I have been warned ive got a max of a year left. I am considering legal advice but not sure if this is a good choice or even worth it. PLEASE i would really appreciate some help or some guidence as what to do as i feel like i am been shat on by a giant. Thank in advance.
 
#4
I take it by "a year left," you meant serving and not that this thing is fatal?

Not that I'm interested in the finer points of this wretched thing that you've picked up - and I can't offer much obvious or direct advice on medical matters, although there are many site users who I'm sure will step forward. There will also be others who have been down the same MD track.

I just wanted to offer some moral support; when these things happen they come as a shock and a crushing blow to ambitions and aspirations that you may hold either for your Army career or outside. Being big enough to ask for advice is a massive first step. I'm sure that once you get a proper handle on matters and can begin to plan for the future you will draw some measure of both comfort and confidence. Knowledge dispels fear.

Good luck!
 
#5
thanks
 
#6
Im not quite sure what BAFF is.
 
#7
And its not fatal, its a disease that causes ulcers inside the stomach lining and intestines. It leads to internal bleeding quite frequently. Also it stops me from getting the nutrients and vitamins i need. It has the possibility to leaing to cancer but fingers crossed i avoid this. I appreciate the concern as im really struggling, going from the top all the way to the bottom and at the moment its a very lonely place.
 
#8
I should be able to find some info for you on Monday when I'm back in the office. IIRC your medical centre should have a booklet about medical discharges. I'm sure there are half a dozen of them in the waiting room in mine.
 
#9
1. Get your revenge in first. Write a short letter to your MP (I know they are all cnuts but it will help if he attacks the Chain of Command from the other end).

2. Help yourself. Start a 'log', if you haven't done so already, of everything that has been done and said. Day date time and place and all that - Doctors visits, advice, reactions and so on.

3. Speak to the Citizens' Advice Bureau about unfair dismissal.

When I left I thought I was leaving in good health - cut a long story short - I am now a 'War Pensioner' following my final medical. The amount I receive now is trivial, but the fact that 'they' have accepted responsibilty for 'breaking' me will/may help in years to come when bits start falling off or packing up and I really do need help. How a disease is seen may be different to physical injuries.

Don't let them fob you off with a load of cock and bull. If you know you are definitely leaving, make sure you make a stand and stick up for yourself - no other cnut will. They can't sack you if you're going anyway.

Good luck!
 
#10
Are you saying its ok if REMFS get the boot and you don't?Not quite sure where you are comming from.Infact re reading your post do you know what a REMF is?
 
#11
TRAZTAZ said:
Are you saying its ok if REMFS get the boot and you don't?Not quite sure where you are comming from.Infact re reading your post do you know what a REMF is?
Are you a REMF?
 
#12
I'm sorry about your illness, you have my greatest sympathy. However, unless you feel that you have a genuine case of discrimination, you may be better served expending your energy helping the system to support you rather than fighting against it. You'll find that the chain of command does not take these things lightly, especially after investing so much into training and equipping an individual; occasionally the only recourse is discharge. Fortunately, the Army is a responsible employer who takes a great interest in the welfare of its soldiers, regardless of circumstances.
 
#14
KLASH_UK said:
..............Due to this alot of soldiers are been giving the boot for there medical disabilitys. I am aware alot of these are remfs but there are some of us who are genuinly biffed.......
Damn those remfs and their medical disabilities aka paper cuts.

Whilst I sympathise with your condition, I still think you are a tosser for the above quote.
 
#15
I am aware alot of these are remfs but there are some of us who are genuinly biffed.

That would be the REMFs who sort out your kit, and presumably will be doing all that paperwork, admin, and answering your questions. Many of whom may have been soldiering in other circumstances before your time?

I also hope you get a good result, best of luck, but think before you post, :wink:

Also go with queens man's advice and document everything.
 
#16
KLASH_UK said:
As many people may be aware the army are making massive cut backs to impress the public that they are giving the forces more money when infact there not. Due to this alot of soldiers are been giving the boot for there medical disabilitys. I am aware alot of these are remfs but there are some of us who are genuinly biffed. I was fully fit up until 6 months ago serving with brigade operations company but was diagnosed with an illness called ulcerative colitus. Due to this i was P7(home only downgraded). This disease is incurable which will obviously make me biffed for life. I have now been informed i am to start the process for medical discharge and if i do not get this then i will be admin discharged on medical grounds. If im honest am sh*ting it as i would never of expected it and have no clue what to do. I dont understand the process of a md and didnt think i could just get the boot. Trying to find help from my chain of command results in one answer and that is "prepare for civvy street". I have been warned ive got a max of a year left. I am considering legal advice but not sure if this is a good choice or even worth it. PLEASE i would really appreciate some help or some guidence as what to do as i feel like i am been shat on by a giant. Thank in advance.
REMFs..oh yeah they're the ones dying and getting injured alongside the teeth arms.....
 
#17
I apoligise for the comment on remfs as alot of you have obviously taking offence. It just annoys me that i was a soldier who worked my arse off and have now been put in the same catogery as those people who will happily sit on the biff and not bother there arse to get fit. I loved the army and worked my arse off and now i am injured to a physical conditon of no fault of my own, i am looked at as if i am some how useless. I did not mean to offend anyone. I would really appreciate as much help as possible. Thanks.
 
#18
Unfortunately some illnesses are deemed 'incompatable with service life' and Ulcerative Colitis is one of those conditions. And unlike an injury - it has not been caused by military life, therefore, will not attract compensation.

In order to be medically discharged you will go to a 4 man med board (ie: 4 x medical personnel - doctors of varying specialities inc. GP and Occupational health). They will look at how this illness will impact on your health and your job within the army.

Given the nature of UC, it is particularly incompatiable with eg. the infantry, however, it may be deemed as compatable in certain other trades.

The board will look at many factors surrounding UC and you. I presume you have read up on the illness and know that there is no cure, there are various treatments that may ease symptoms, however, being on long term medication is also relatively incompatable with service life - sourcing it, maintaining it at correct temperatures etc - still means that you cannot deploy. If you cannot deploy then the Army will need to decide how much of a benefit you are to the service by being P7 ND for the rest of your career.

The long and short of it is that this condition is on a long list of illnesses that are incompatable with service life (you usually are not even allowed to go on exercise with it). Unfortunately you have this illness, and it's no ones fault (exact cause of illness is unknown, although genetics are thought to be involved).

Not the news you wanted to hear, but I hope it helps.
 
#19
Surely they cannot just kick me out though without any compasation. Im not looking for a pay out as there are many more deserving people but im sure i must be intitled to full resettlement or something along those lines. As you can imagine this is something that is really starting to scare me as the army was my life before this and i will be lost without it. Thanks for all the help and advice. Plus i have another question if anyone could help. I have life insurance with abacus and theres apart that says theyll pay out for disabilitys which makes you unable to perform your current job upto £25,000. Has anyone had experience with these sort of claims and know what my chances are. Thanks in advance i really appreciate all the help.
 
#20
KLASH_UK - http://www.baff.org.uk/

Having suffered UC previously, you need to make sure that the extent of your condition is known. Possibly a second opinion from a specialist might assist you?

Suffered the usual bleeding out the back passage and ended up in FPH for a week of steroids which "touch wood" have led to me being okay since - okay enough to deploy without any problems 12 months later. Am no expert though. The advice from Queensman makes a lot of sense.
 

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